SampleTank 4 on the way

[Peter - IK Multimedia]

Peter, round robins isn't the only thing that matters in guitar sounds. legato samples etc. also matter - that is, scripting. you can have the best recording in the world (i really don't doubt your expertise here), but if the engine doesn't trigger appropriate samples at appropriate times automatically, it won't sound realistic during performance. given a lot of recorded articulations, all of that can be done in MIDI (like everyone used to do back in the days of less detailed Kontakt guitar libraries), of course, but we've been spoilt by very detailed Kontakt instruments, and "simply" providing these articulations while leaving it up to the user to use them doesn't cut it any more. not today.

It was one part of a response to a specific mention of them (and articulations). I quoted the message I was responding for proper context, I thought that was clear. We have a strumming engine and other great features for realistic performance/recording.

[Cinebient]

Are there any plans for a (lighter) iOS version?

[Burillo]

Peter, round robins isn't the only thing that matters in guitar sounds. legato samples etc. also matter - that is, scripting. you can have the best recording in the world (i really don't doubt your expertise here), but if the engine doesn't trigger appropriate samples at appropriate times automatically, it won't sound realistic during performance. given a lot of recorded articulations, all of that can be done in MIDI (like everyone used to do back in the days of less detailed Kontakt guitar libraries), of course, but we've been spoilt by very detailed Kontakt instruments, and "simply" providing these articulations while leaving it up to the user to use them doesn't cut it any more. not today.

It was one part of a response to a specific mention of them (and articulations). I quoted the message I was responding for proper context, I thought that was clear. We have a strumming engine and other great features for realistic performance/recording.

again, strumming engine is all fine and good, but with e.g. Orange Tree Guitar, i can switch between legato (as in, hammer-ons and pull-offs) and fingerpicking using velocity and key range (i.e. anything under two semitones is legato, anything above that as proper picking), i can play notes and chords at certain positions (open E 1st string vs. same note played on 5th string sound differently), hell i can slide from anywhere to anywhere else and not be limited to pre-recorded slides. that is what i'm referring to as scripting.

can ST4 do that? ST3 certainly can't, and having just a strumming engine won't help with this either - the scripting must be way more advanced.

[Peter - IK Multimedia]

You will be able to create extremely realistic performances with the tools that SampleTank provides, regardless of whether you feel scripting would be required to do so. SampleTank 4 is its own product, not emulating another company's product and achieves what it sets out to achieve - extremely satisfying and realistic performances from a workstation full of a huge library of incredibly well-crafted sounds and doesn't require an over-complicated workflow in order to do so.

Basically, with SampleTank 4 you'll be able to realize your creative vision unobstructed by complexity yet without lacking powerful toosl (and without having to perform tasks akin to pulling off a space shuttle launch in order to do so).

[Peter - IK Multimedia]

Are there any plans for a (lighter) iOS version?

I don't have specific news about this at this time, but we definitely plan to continue to evolve our iOS apps, including SampleTank, going forward.

[Angle Loss]

Am I the only one who doesn't want any more samples of "real" instruments like Guitars, Brass etc ? I'd love to see more content of the type of sounds found in late 80-90's Romplers. Shaku, Bottle Blow, Choirs, Bells, that type of stuff.

This is exactly what I have been thinking as well.

[musicalwarmth812]

Though you are going to be guaranteed a huge library of quality sounds here, by buying blind, plus the new interface, the lack of specifics and rush to purchase without these specifics is concerning.

Regarding the three different tiers, one has no information telling them:

1. What is content size per instrument category for each tier? Let's say Strings is 1 GB in SE, 5 GB standard tank, 25 GB Max?

2. When going from SE to MAX, using Strings again, are we talking crippled to full, i.e. SE much fewer articulations than MAX.

3. Strings again, were these recorded differently than MP2, i.e. Location, mix selection, room sound. Do these strings have the full complement of articulations including legato? Any idea of new cinematic percussion, brass (or is this brass more of a pop vein).

Additionally, no info on drum kits and/or included grooves. Regarding Syntronik, is there another massive sampling of synths and if so, do they complement, add to, or surpass Syntronik?

Has IK fixed their ticket system yet - still not able to read tickets that have been submitted replied to (mentioned it to support twice and no reply).

[Weasel-Boy]

Though you are going to be guaranteed a huge library of quality sounds here, by buying blind, plus the new interface, the lack of specifics and rush to purchase without these specifics is concerning

You bring up a legitimate point and I would like to add to this.

This is actually a form of “kiting”. Essentially, IK gets to float our money for a couple of months, money they get to use without delivering the goods. For that kind of risk, their pricing is way off base. If we’re expected to wait it out while IK profits from our investment, then they should reduce the risk: lower the pre-buy pricing by at least 50%. If I’m gonna buy blind by loaning them money, they should make it worth it my while.

[FrankT]

I didn‘t bother installing ST3 on my new DAW anymore as the interface is so dated and the sounds are not at par with specialisied libraries. But what has really annoyed me with IK in the last years is that I bought products for IOS/PC which then turned out to be mainly shells for upsell and crosssell schemes.

[Peter - IK Multimedia]

Though you are going to be guaranteed a huge library of quality sounds here, by buying blind, plus the new interface, the lack of specifics and rush to purchase without these specifics is concerning.

Regarding the three different tiers, one has no information telling them:

1. What is content size per instrument category for each tier? Let's say Strings is 1 GB in SE, 5 GB standard tank, 25 GB Max?

2. When going from SE to MAX, using Strings again, are we talking crippled to full, i.e. SE much fewer articulations than MAX.

3. Strings again, were these recorded differently than MP2, i.e. Location, mix selection, room sound. Do these strings have the full complement of articulations including legato? Any idea of new cinematic percussion, brass (or is this brass more of a pop vein).

Additionally, no info on drum kits and/or included grooves. Regarding Syntronik, is there another massive sampling of synths and if so, do they complement, add to, or surpass Syntronik?

Has IK fixed their ticket system yet - still not able to read tickets that have been submitted replied to (mentioned it to support twice and no reply).

This isn't uncommon with pre-ordering products but again - the request for a full list has been made as I've said.

1. See above.

2. I've stated that SE isn't limited feature-wise, but yes there may be fewer sounds in categories so you may miss some sampled articulations or similar.

3. Yes, these are new recordings. You can find the general sounds information at https://www.ikmultimedia.com/products/st4/#sounds and the list has been requested as we get closer to release.

About drums, synths, etc, if you are not satisfied with the Sounds page linked above, you will have to make a decision based on that or wait for a list if it a dealbreaker.

Our support ticket system works and has been working regularly. We handle tickets every day without issue. Please relay any ticket numbers where you're experiencing problems and I'm sure someone can get to the bottom of whatever issue you're experiencing there.

[Peter - IK Multimedia]

We also have been adding audio and video demos regularly. Check out the first in the "quick tour" series from producer ill Factor (more are on our web site):

[Oberheim 8000]

Am I the only one who doesn't want any more samples of "real" instruments like Guitars, Brass etc ? I'd love to see more content of the type of sounds found in late 80-90's Romplers. Shaku, Bottle Blow, Choirs, Bells, that type of stuff.

Mee too. Those type of sounds which you wrote, sometimes are called World instruments. ST3 have some world instruments (I saw video somewhere, but from this video looks like not too much), I am curious how many are in ST 4.

Another question for ST4, can I create new instrument from samples inside ST4? For example mix one sound with another and make some filter changes? Even better if ST4 do some morph sample (wave) with another?

[etotman]

Though you are going to be guaranteed a huge library of quality sounds here, by buying blind, plus the new interface, the lack of specifics and rush to purchase without these specifics is concerning

You bring up a legitimate point and I would like to add to this.

This is actually a form of “kiting”. Essentially, IK gets to float our money for a couple of months, money they get to use without delivering the goods. For that kind of risk, their pricing is way off base. If we’re expected to wait it out while IK profits from our investment, then they should reduce the risk: lower the pre-buy pricing by at least 50%. If I’m gonna buy blind by loaning them money, they should make it worth it my while.

This isn't true in every case. I've never had any version of SampleTank, so I got ST3 now and I'll get ST4 when it is released. I've been having fun with the sounds in ST3, so I got something for my purchase immediately, and I'm very much looking forward to the new interface and sounds in ST4.

[Examigan]

Am I the only one who doesn't want any more samples of "real" instruments like Guitars, Brass etc ? I'd love to see more content of the type of sounds found in late 80-90's Romplers. Shaku, Bottle Blow, Choirs, Bells, that type of stuff.

Mee too. Those type of sounds which you wrote, sometimes are called World instruments. ST3 have some world instruments (I saw video somewhere, but from this video looks like not too much), I am curious how many are in ST 4.

Me 3.

[Peter - IK Multimedia]

Also, please note that the pre-order pricing is already deeply discounted. SampleTank 4 MAX MSRP is $/€499.99 and the $/€199.99 upgrade is 60% off of that. So for those that were specifically mentioning 50%+ off, there it is.