Are filters what make the sound of a synth stand out from the crowd?

[Delta Sign]

I'm real smart like. I read books real good.

[ramseysounds]

That's why i love those multi quotes.

You didn't really say much, except that you disagree with about every single point he made, did you?

And he's wrong on every response of 'nope'.

so you're arguing that combfilters and allpass filters are EQs, and that highpass and bandpass filters do only pass the low frequencies are you?

wags, im gonna need that hammer.

They both affect the frequency spectrum at a determined set point. So essentially, filters and EQ do the same thing, in different ways. Dress it up as you want, but the fundamental is the same for both.

[whyterabbyt]

They both affect the frequency spectrum at a determined set point.

Allpass filters dont, they affect the frquency spectrum at all points.
Combfilters dont, they affect the frequency spectrum at multiple points.

And are you forgetting that the second of your claims very specifically was that all filters remove frequencies below a certain point, or are you merely trying to pretend it never happened.

So essentially, filters and EQ do the same thing, in different ways.

Except where, they dont, of course.

Dress it up as you want, but the fundamental is the same for both.

Except where it isnt, of course.

[ramseysounds]

Argue pedants all you want. I really can't be arsed. Out.

[whyterabbyt]

Argue pedants all you want. I really can't be arsed. Out.

Of course you cant. That would require having some facts, and a spine.

[AnX]

Argue pedants all you want. I really can't be arsed. Out.

ive been arsed out, it wasnt as bad as i thought it would be...

[Cinebient]

I wonder why people do not talk in „music“.
Just post an outstanding filter sound....no bla bla.

[wagtunes]

"Major Tom to Ground Control. There is no intelligent life down here."

"Ground Control to Major Tom. Well there's not much down here either."

"Major Tom to Ground Control. I'm stepping out for a knish."

[bmanic]

Filters are really important on KVR, but the practical situations where the difference between an average filter and a more advanced one has any meaning in a musical sense are pretty rare.

I think they've become so overemphasized is because it's so easy to fiddle with cutoff and filter and procrastinate on the wonderful sweeps and whistles instead of using a synth. One is hearing the sound of the filter in isolation, but I don't think the differences between filters are very obvious in finished pieces of music. A filter is just one component of one sound source.

I disagree. Why? Because filter topologies themselves are more than just the cutoff and the resonance, more than the "filtering". I think of filters more like waveshapers/tone boxes.

So by your logic guitar tone means pretty much nothing.. doesn't matter if you use a tube screamer or a R.A.T.. it's all just distortion anyhow.

The filters in a subtractive synth are very much at the core of the "tonality" or "box tone" of the synthesizer. It's a sort of sonic fingerprint and is directly correlated with how it's driven. Mind you, it's not just abusing the filters that is interesting.. under powering the input of a filter can yield some pretty interesting results as well. U-He's ACE/Bazille and Diva are all great examples of this where the filter quite drastically changes in it's sonic finger print depending on how hard you drive it. This gets further complex when you modulate the filter at audio rates, or any of the incoming audio volume at audio rates.

Filters are definitely not the end-all be-all of a synthesizers overall "box tone" but it is a large part of it, so yeah, you are correct that it's one part of the synthesizer but I think you underestimate the significance.

Another part people constantly seem to underestimate is the shape of the envelopes.. those drastically affect the overall feel of a synthesizer.

TL;DR You are wrong. Period.

Cheers!
bM

[vurt]

I wonder why people do not talk in „music“.
Just post an outstanding filter sound....no bla bla.

wowowowow

[whyterabbyt]

I wonder why people do not talk in „music“.
Just post an outstanding filter sound....no bla bla.

wowowowow

unbelievable.

[vurt]

[mellotronaut]

I wonder why people do not talk in „music“.
Just post an outstanding filter sound....no bla bla.

wowowowow

unbelievable.

would you rather apply a comb to this filter or rather grow a beard?

[Mushy Mushy]

I wonder why people do not talk in „music“.
Just post an outstanding filter sound....no bla bla.

wowowowow

@3:07
https://youtu.be/TLZNqsdiIRU?t=187

[whyterabbyt]

I wonder why people do not talk in „music“.
Just post an outstanding filter sound....no bla bla.

wowowowow

unbelievable.

would you rather apply a comb to this filter or rather grow a beard?

now hold on a second, I might have a beard but im not a f**king hipster.