What Wavetable VST is closest in functionality to a Virus TI and which go beyond it?

[Arcvidean]

My apologies if I haven't made myself clear. I am looking for new sound creation possibilities and am uncertain whether I will still find them with the TI compared to more recent Wavetable synths. I own quite a few Wavetable VSTs and have demoed most of the others, however I don't have a demo of a Virus TI so I was hoping people who had in depth experience with the TI would make some useful comparisons about what it can do that others can't and what others can do that it can't and why. If people don't wish to waste their time discussing this with me fine, if they would like to I'm interested. It could save me quite a bit of disappointment and some money. Do people really have to be so snarky and unpleasant these days. Thanks to those who made helpful contributions so far.

Arcvidean.

[recursive one]

Well, to be more exact, besides usual wavetable scanning and interpolation functionality which you may find in most wavetable synths, Viurs TI2 and Snow have "grain simple/complex" and "formant simple/complex" modes

This is formant complex



As I said, it's possible to make something quite similar in Rapd using formant shift osc fx, but it won't sound exactly the same even with the same wavetables

As for "grain " somehow I always overlooked this in Virus



I don't know about a direct VST equivalent, but anyway Rapid and Serum have many alternative wavetable warp/fx modes like remap, mirror and other cool stuff, so they probably won't give you exactly the same sounds but they are able to make many sounds Virus could only dream of.

[Elektronisch]

My apologies if I haven't made myself clear. I am looking for new sound creation possibilities and am uncertain whether I will still find them with the TI compared to more recent Wavetable synths. I own quite a few Wavetable VSTs and have demoed most of the others, however I don't have a demo of a Virus TI so I was hoping people who had in depth experience with the TI would make some useful comparisons about what it can do that others can't and what others can do that it can't and why. If people don't wish to waste their time discussing this with me fine, if they would like to I'm interested. It could save me quite a bit of disappointment and some money. Do people really have to be so snarky and unpleasant these days. Thanks to those who made helpful contributions so far.

Arcvidean.

Well its a bit tricky question to answer, because virus itself is a complex synth and even tho it offers limited wavetable possibilities (aka you cannot import wavetables), there are alot of other things that can be incorporated when designing a sound that makes virus basicly limitless when it comes to sound design. For example various filters, amount of various distortions, modulation possibilities. BUT alot of the same is offered by other synths aswels, take Dune 3 (or even Dune 2), Serum, Synthmaster 2, Massive ect ect. But if you are intersted in pure wavescanning, then no, virus wount offer you more.

[Arcvidean]

Thanks for the replies. I was always particularly interested in the Graintable function which I'm not aware of in any other Wavetable synth but I'm not sure how it works, is it similar to the Granular function in Omnisphere ( which I enjoy immensely) or is it something else entirely.

Arcvidean.

[Arcvidean]

I watched the video links, the Graintable Oscillator seemed quite different from what I expected but it only covered Grain simple and I couldn't find the video for Grain complex .Edit, I found another tutorial on Grain complex which helped me to understand more how it works, as I said quite different from what I expected.

Arcvidean.

[Elektronisch]

I watched the video links, the Graintable Oscillator seemed quite different from what I expected but it only covered Grain simple and I couldn't find the video for Grain complex.

Arcvidean.

It is a little bit different. But in the end you are still limited by the amount of wavetables there are.

But those behaviours can be mimiced in for example Serum. Formant shift in serum is aka Sync (1/2 is most similar in sound). Detune, well you have a regular detune in Serum wich works accordingly.

This is taken from the manual

The remaining oscillator modes all make use of a new technology for the Virus TI, called Grain Table. The
basic idea behind this technology, is to take the existing wavetables, and apply similar techniques as
those used in some granular sampling and pitch-shifting algorithms to open up a whole new world of
possibilities. Each of the two main types: Grain Table and Formant Table are presented in both Simple
and Complex formats. In each case, the Simple mode offers fewer parameters, and a higher polyphony
than Complex, with the values of parameters common to each mode remaining constant.
It’s important to note that the characteristics of the Grain Table and Formant Table oscillators are quite
different to those of traditional “granular” sampling/synthesis techniques, which tend to be associated
with other-worldly “clouds” of sound. In the Virus TI, we have instead employed the technology to
achieve a very musical result which should prove every bit as useful as the other oscillator types in all
manner of musical projects.

Here is a library of videos where you can find 2 videos covering grain wavetables

[Elektronisch]

Do people really have to be so snarky and unpleasant these days. Thanks to those who made helpful contributions so far.

Arcvidean.

As a matter of fact yes, because you are number XXXXXXX who asks about virus related stuff, so you could save others time and just go thro those 100 topics by yourself yeah but ofcourse you dont want to spend hours of research right and going over thro already created threads, its better to make a new thread with already asked question If you wouldnt be lazy and show some respect to others then people will not be unpleasant

[Arcvidean]

I was hoping to cover new ground. My apologies to everyone if I have failed to do so. There really is no reason to be so nasty about it. If enough people think my thread is a waste of time I will just delete it, if that is possible and go elsewhere.

Arcvidean.

You or anyone else does not have to reply. What is all the aggression about?

By the way I have looked all over the internet and found no answers to my questions, just lists of synthesizers that are supposedly better than the Virus TI and nothing sounds like the Virus comments. I want to know why the Virus TI can do what other synths can't do and vice versa, I don't think this is just another Virus thread, if other people disagree I will go elsewhere.

[Elektronisch]

I was hoping to cover new ground. My apologies to everyone if I have failed to do so. There really is no reason to be so nasty about it. If enough people think my thread is a waste of time I will just delete it, if that is possible and go elsewhere.

Arcvidean.

You or anyone else does not have to reply. What is all the aggression about?

Well anyways, with virus ti, as i previously said its a bit tricky question to answer, because you really need to know what are you looking for in the synth besides wavescanning, because virus has more then that, if you utilize that, then it will help you to cover new grounds (just combine grain complex + comb filters + modulation, filter distortion ect), but if not, save yourself some money

As a matter of fact Serum, Dune 3 (even kontakt 6 now with wavetable module) would offer much more in that area just because you can import wave files.

[recursive one]

If enough people think my thread is a waste of time I will just delete it

I don't think so, there indeed were many Virus-related discussions some years ago but people were ususally focused on that infamous hypersaw, while the wavetable part of Virus was typically overlooked. I think it's interesting to compare it with the latest wavetable stuff available in software

It was just a coincidence that in the last few days 3 Virus related threads suddenly appeared, KVR hadn't seen something like this for a long time

[pdxindy]

I suggest you look at Icarus.

[vurt]

I keep getting the itch to buy a Virus TI now I can afford one. Back in the day when it first came out it seemed way ahead of any VSTs of the time, I would assume that was now no longer the case and would like some idea of where it now stands so to speak.

Arcvidean.

There is thing called search and there was just recently (like few days ago) created a topic similar to this where you will get all of your answers

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=518252

you do realise a forum is for people to discuss things?
so what if it's been discussed before, not like you are forced to read anything.

[chk071]

If enough people think my thread is a waste of time I will just delete it

I don't think so, there indeed were many Virus-related discussions some years ago but people were ususally focused on that infamous hypersaw, while the wavetable part of Virus was typically overlooked. I think it's interesting to compare it with the latest wavetable stuff available in software

It was just a coincidence that in the last few days 3 Virus related threads suddenly appeared, KVR hadn't seen something like this for a long time

Winter is virus ... um... Virus time.

[WilliamK]

I haven't read the whole thing, but if I understood right, you can get Wavetable and Granular synthesis from Wusik Station and Wusik 8008.

[generaldiomedes]

Without turning this thread into 'mention everyone's favorite wavetable synth' .. have you demoed VPS Avenger? It has the most functionality packed into any VST I own or have demo'd. The factory lib is nearly worth the price alone.