BITWIG STUDIO 3

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xbitz
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2286 posts since 3 Oct, 2013 from Budapest

Post Fri Jan 18, 2019 10:54 am

Yokai wrote:
Fri Jan 18, 2019 6:00 am
xbitz wrote:
Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:45 am
Yokai wrote:
Fri Jan 18, 2019 4:56 am
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In Ableton you can easily specify min and max ranges for a macro knob (for example) in an "inspector panel" kind of way. But the Bitwig design principle is to make such details more VISUAL. They prefer you to set some target knob to its min (or max) value, and then assign a macro modulator to it and VISUALLY just set where range of movement should end, relative to that starting point. Yes, they do give you an inspector panel for the modulator to adjust that visually-assigned "range" value, but you have no way at all to fine-tune the starting value of the target knob. The Bitwig design always requires you to touch two different things to effectively set the exact min/max for a constrained range of values.
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hmmm
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the routing is for homework :D

btw. the quantize (QUA) operator is missing from the docs
15.18.2.8. Math
One control source derived from two continuous knob controls. The output signal is a mathematical relation of the two signals, which is derived either by MUL(tiplying), ADD(ing), or SUB(tracting) the two signals, or simply taking the MIN(imum) or MAX(imum) of the two values.
so it even works using discrete steps too
That's a neat trick, and TBH I had overlooked the MIN/MAX aspects of the Math modulator! But it's also kinda counter intuitive, and look how you had to set up THREE different modulators (and puzzle out the the inter-modulation among all three, and empirically "test" where to set the 2nd knob in both Math modulators) to do what in Ableton is a simple and very intutive matter of setting a specific min value and a specific max value on a single macro knob. ;)
ok we're officially no too smart ones :clown:
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done, and the non-documented QUA operator
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also lovely, and it's still not absolute "just" asymmetric quantised relative modulation, respect to Bitwig 8)
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Hez
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571 posts since 10 Dec, 2013

Re: BITWIG STUDIO 3

Post Fri Jan 18, 2019 11:13 am

xbitz wrote:
Fri Jan 18, 2019 10:54 am
ok we're officially no too smart ones :clown:
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done
Hahah nice that's actually a really clean approach! Would be a fun way to throw a ton of modulation sources on a single parameter and make sure it's always bounded.

Yokai
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320 posts since 7 Nov, 2017

Re: BITWIG STUDIO 3

Post Fri Jan 18, 2019 11:46 am

Yes! I’d never have thought to use “Mix” that way, because, you know, it looks like a DJ crossfader.

Can you map that crossfader to a knob in the remote control panel? If so, WIN for an easy approach to making a constrained, intuitive min-max style of macro
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xbitz
KVRAF
2286 posts since 3 Oct, 2013 from Budapest

Re: BITWIG STUDIO 3

Post Fri Jan 18, 2019 12:11 pm

^^^ yepp (crossfader and A,B values too), so we've got macro which even the range can be modulated, gonna remember it :tu: , Jesus and it's not even the Grid :o

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:D at least something new has been learnt today
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Broken
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129 posts since 18 Oct, 2003

Re: BITWIG STUDIO 3

Post Fri Jan 18, 2019 1:31 pm

xbitz wrote:
Fri Jan 18, 2019 12:11 pm
^^^ yepp (crossfader and A,B values too), so we've got macro which even the range can be modulated, gonna remember it :tu: , Jesus and it's not even the Grid :o

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:D at least something new has been learnt today
Nice!

It would be great for the community to have a series of tutorials on the not so obvious use cases for various Bitwig modulators and devices.

Yokai
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320 posts since 7 Nov, 2017

Re: BITWIG STUDIO 3

Post Fri Jan 18, 2019 1:38 pm

Broken wrote:
Fri Jan 18, 2019 1:31 pm
xbitz wrote:
Fri Jan 18, 2019 12:11 pm
^^^ yepp (crossfader and A,B values too), so we've got macro which even the range can be modulated, gonna remember it :tu: , Jesus and it's not even the Grid :o

>>
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:D at least something new has been learnt today
Nice!

It would be great for the community to have a series of tutorials on the not so obvious use cases for various Bitwig modulators and devices.
I have a couple different publishing platforms. (Not just YouTube.) And I do tech writing for my income so stuff like this is fairly easy for me to produce. I’ll take a stab at some centralized set of how-to tips in this vein.

An example of my written stuff:
https://producerdojo.com/baphy-ruins-sample-rate/
Bitwig | Ableton | Windows 10
baphometrix.com | My YouTube producer tutorials

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u-u-u
KVRian
908 posts since 31 Mar, 2014

Re: BITWIG STUDIO 3

Post Fri Jan 18, 2019 3:55 pm

Concerning the whole get-the-min-max-functionality-using-modulators thing:
The only functionality that can't be memed by Bitwigs modulators is, that you can type exact min max values with the correct unit (e.g. Hz for Cutoff) that the macro will cover. Nevertheless mapping a 'macro' in Ableton to a single parameter it's just like reducing the actual knob range. Mapping it to multiple parameters is like picking the (reduced) ranges of different knobs and assign them to a single knob. And each assigned parameter becomes unavailable for adjusting. After assigning the macro targets their valuebehaviour only can be manipulated using the min/max ranges.

Yeah, that's why I bought version 1.0X (don't know exactly anymore) of Bitwig Studio right away :)

Also don't forget: you can right-click any knob that is modulated and select a modulation amount to be edited (or remove the modulation assgignment). Sometimes I wish I could shift-click knobs when being in modulation edit mode to type in exact mod amounts right in place. But until now the devs seem to ignore this feature request or have reasons not to implement it.

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excuse me please
KVRist
129 posts since 10 Oct, 2018

Re: BITWIG STUDIO 3

Post Fri Jan 18, 2019 4:05 pm

Ok, but when I want to keep BWS1, I have to purchase a new license, I guess. The trouble is: I have no clue if I can get things sound even better in BWS3. Supposedly, a mind cannot be blown twice.

Broken
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129 posts since 18 Oct, 2003

Re: BITWIG STUDIO 3

Post Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:39 pm

@Yokai

That would be very useful. Great article on sample rate and SRC too.

DavidCarlyon
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242 posts since 17 Mar, 2018

Re: BITWIG STUDIO 3

Post Sat Jan 19, 2019 7:07 am

Yokai wrote:
Fri Jan 18, 2019 1:38 pm
Broken wrote:
Fri Jan 18, 2019 1:31 pm
xbitz wrote:
Fri Jan 18, 2019 12:11 pm
^^^ yepp (crossfader and A,B values too), so we've got macro which even the range can be modulated, gonna remember it :tu: , Jesus and it's not even the Grid :o

>>
Image
:D at least something new has been learnt today
Nice!

It would be great for the community to have a series of tutorials on the not so obvious use cases for various Bitwig modulators and devices.
I have a couple different publishing platforms. (Not just YouTube.) And I do tech writing for my income so stuff like this is fairly easy for me to produce. I’ll take a stab at some centralized set of how-to tips in this vein.

An example of my written stuff:
https://producerdojo.com/baphy-ruins-sample-rate/


Tidy bit of modulation there. I love seeing what people do with BWS.

Can i just ask (to anybody reading)...how many of you are using hardware synths with Bitwig?
I have spent all my resources on plugins for god knows how long now, perhaps its time for a change.
People seem to have such a good experience using hardware with Bitwig (for obvious reasons)
I suppose i just always told myself 'we have practically caught up in the digital world' when it comes to synthesis.
However, with so many awesome synths costing very little, along with switching to Bitwig, it seems kind of silly not to

brownerthanu
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280 posts since 11 Dec, 2002 from Los Angeles

Re: BITWIG STUDIO 3

Post Sat Jan 19, 2019 7:12 am

I use a small Eurorack via Expert Sleeper’s ES-6 and a Moog Sub 37.

arrakeen
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185 posts since 10 Apr, 2002

Re: BITWIG STUDIO 3

Post Sat Jan 19, 2019 8:20 am

I've Apollo 8 and Mio 10 MIDI to support a bit of hardware, Cheetah MS6 (Maad), Roland XP50, SIDStation Ninja, Toraiz AS-1, Audiothingies MicroMonsta and Analog HEAT. But in all honesty, I use in-the-box VST/FX much more than any hardware.

I'd probably use @brownerthanu setup more!

Hypo Intellect
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40 posts since 5 Nov, 2018

Re: BITWIG STUDIO 3

Post Sat Jan 19, 2019 9:06 am

I run an Analog 4 using overbridge over USB which makes sound creation so much easier, even if the sounds have to be stored on the machine.
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sagetone
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476 posts since 22 Nov, 2006

Re: BITWIG STUDIO 3

Post Sat Jan 19, 2019 9:10 am

DavidCarlyon wrote:
Sat Jan 19, 2019 7:07 am
Can i just ask (to anybody reading)...how many of you are using hardware synths with Bitwig?
I integrate my euro system with BWS via 2 ea ES-3's and ES-6's, plus an ES-8 for portable use. ADAT via MOTU. Works seamlessly. CV in and out work great, and now that it's coming inside The Grid, that's even cooler!
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i7 5820K, 32G DDR4, Win10, Bitwig 2.x and Sonar X3Pro, NI and U-he synths to name a few
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SLiC
KVRAF
3228 posts since 2 Dec, 2004 from North Wales

Re: BITWIG STUDIO 3

Post Sat Jan 19, 2019 9:53 am

I am running 2 x ES-3 so I have 16CV outs to my Eurorack (From an X32 ADAT)
i7 Win 10 + Surface, BWS, StudioOne 4, X32 Desk. Rubicon R8s, DM12, P8, Virus TI, Syst1m, 500hp Eurorack, Elektron A4, RYTM, OT, Heat, Digitone, MPC Live, OP-Z, Mother+DFAM, Drums, Guitars, Basses and Amps

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