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Topcheese wrote: Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:34 am And nowhere did I claim a Patent is the source code, but I think your last point may have drove it home. I guess it's not the technical specifications, but then it becomes more like trying to release a standard.

Again thanks for taking the time to help me see the err on my side.
No, but because you kept linking to the open sourcing of patents in threads about source code, so my point was to address your conflation between those things. You didnt state patents were source code, you presented something specific to patents as affecting source code.
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As I said, mine's a partly educated guess based on what MS are saying and what a mate working at MS Research has heard.

Remember also that Windows uses quite a lot of non-MS code. Are MS going to negotiate with all these vendors about source release? It may happen one day but I doubt if it'll be anytime soon.

PS Sorry for the derail, that's me done.

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resynthesis wrote: Thu Mar 14, 2019 12:33 pm
PS Sorry for the derail, that's me done.
Thanks to all of you who were able to look past my ignorance to help me understand. I think I understand it a bit more.

I think it's part of a larger issue, and what you're describing to me is not open-source software. I know smarter people have put much more thought into it, and that may be some of you on here, but not every OS project is created equal.

Even the Wikipedia page on the subject warns you about possible commercial interest trying to skew the facts. I think I understand the point, but I'm just not sure how valid it will be in the near future.

I don't care how hard MS tries to commercialize the term "open-source," the OSI which was around a lot longer than these new commercial "OS" groups begs to differ. Don't take it from me, you can read it here.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_ ... e_software

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So the question remains how long NI's going to pussy-foot around? MS just keeps dumping patents AND source code.
https://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft ... mpression/

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Topcheese wrote: Fri Mar 15, 2019 3:24 am So the question remains how long NI's going to pussy-foot around? MS just keeps dumping patents AND source code.
https://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft ... mpression/
Im pretty sure NI will release all their source code the week after MS do. ESpecially given the unilaterally binding obligation niche software developers have to follow exactly in the foosteps of some multinational chosen at random.
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whyterabbyt wrote: Fri Mar 15, 2019 9:51 am
Topcheese wrote: Fri Mar 15, 2019 3:24 am So the question remains how long NI's going to pussy-foot around? MS just keeps dumping patents AND source code.
https://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft ... mpression/
Im pretty sure NI will release all their source code the week after MS do. ESpecially given the unilaterally binding obligation niche software developers have to follow exactly in the foosteps of some multinational chosen at random.
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I want to leave it alone, but I love how you dissect my words. I like your sense of humor. Thanks!

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Microsoft for the most part is a platform vendor, so it makes commercial sense for Microsoft so support developers on their platform and they have probably come to the conclusion that discrimination based on the target platform is ultimately detrimental to their own platform. In other words, they almost certainly estimate that open-sourcing certain components has a positive ROI. Even developer goodwill can be a valuable resource when you want them to target your platform. At the same time, you probably won't see Microsoft open-sourcing Windows anytime soon, because Windows is one of the platforms from which they actually extract revenue.

If you want to make a case that NI should open-source something, you really need to show how this is expected to result in positive ROI to NI shareholders. Otherwise you're just living in some sort of a fantasy world.

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It would be funny if it turns out that NI actually use JUCE themselves.

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I doubt it, their technolohy is older than JUCE. I know that Cycling74 switched to JUCE with Max 5. Maybe Ableton has done that as well, but that I don‘t know...

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Tj Shredder wrote: Sat Mar 16, 2019 5:46 pm Maybe Ableton has done that as well, but that I don‘t know...
No, they started using the Qt framework for some GUI parts in Live at some point.

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There is a lesson to be learned here, and Steve Ballmer who once called "open-source a cancer" can attest to that. He lost his job and got replaced after failing to keep MS on top. Today Microsoft seems to be on top again.
I'm starting to find Juce in all kinds of obscure audio libraries, but that's not the only open-source project that's making waves today. I don't think they need to rush out and make it happen, but it's definitely something that needs to be on the table. That's all I'm trying to say.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inN6QAi369s

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That reminds of this cringe worthy moment:-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vhh_GeBPOhs

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But he was right, though. It is about the developers. :D

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quikquak wrote: Mon Mar 18, 2019 10:21 am That reminds of this cringe worthy moment:-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vhh_GeBPOhs
:lol:

Le't not forget these priceless Steve Ballmer moments in Microsoft history:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uM61HIqLBeI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eywi0h_Y5_U

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That's why I love KVR forums. We can stop talking BS here no matter what.

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