Valhalla Vintage Verb and Room: How do you use them?

[4damind]

Vintageverb works great on all kind of sources which benefits from a bit "chorusing" or "modulation", so in most cases all electronic sounds like pads, leads etc. but I like it also on the piano. I have not found so much usage for V-Room. For room emulations or more clean and transparent "invisible" reverbs there are IMO better reverbs available like the 2C Audio reverbs but also Lexicon or Exponential Audio.

[LoveEnigma18]

@Mr. Spock and 4damind

Thanks for sharing your experience. Overall, I see VVV getting more votes and use compared to Room.

[Kinh]

I'm curious how people apply Vahalla to vocal. I mean does anyone modulate bypass on each note given the ducking works like a leaking ceiling on a lot of these reverbs. And does anyone modulate amount.

[D.K Envelope]

i dont like all of the reverbs from the company
uvi und acon digital is the real deal

[scottlaned]

Vintage verb on almost every lead vocal as a send. On things that need audible reverb.
I use Room on a lot of background vocals as an insert to give distance in the mix. I use it on strings bc it does a real concert hall thing better than vintage verb. I use it on the snare (I find myself using "large wood room" for tight and transparent).
Plate on vocals that are a little more chalky, vintage, country, soulful. I'll use it on acoustic instruments in a sparse mix for nearly inaudible space. Always on pedal steel.

[LoveEnigma18]

Vintage verb on almost every lead vocal as a send. On things that need audible reverb.
I use Room on a lot of background vocals as an insert to give distance in the mix. I use it on strings bc it does a real concert hall thing better than vintage verb. I use it on the snare (I find myself using "large wood room" for tight and transparent).
Plate on vocals that are a little more chalky, vintage, country, soulful. I'll use it on acoustic instruments in a sparse mix for nearly inaudible space. Always on pedal steel.

Thanks for the tips.

[SoundPorn]

I love the Nonline algo in VVV especially on Pianos and Leads, and vocals.

For percussion, vox shots, and effects in general I love using Vroom with a long Pre Delay and usually Sulaco or Dense Room to get a really cool tail to something. The LV algo is also really cool is kinda just comes on slow and covers a sound like a blanket.

Overall I been using Room more and kinda like the sound more which is weird because I originally demoed them interested only in vintage verb.

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

I love the Nonline algo in VVV especially on Pianos and Leads, and vocals.

For percussion, vox shots, and effects in general I love using Vroom with a long Pre Delay and usually Sulaco or Dense Room to get a really cool tail to something. The LV algo is also really cool is kinda just comes on slow and covers a sound like a blanket.

Overall I been using Room more and kinda like the sound more which is weird because I originally demoed them interested only in vintage verb.

Nonlin is also terrific for snare, toms, and even some on kick when you want that 80s gated drum sound or just want to make a snare otherwise sound huge.

[airon]

Room for dialogue and effect mixes for tv/film/streaming/blueray.

[adl]

Wow you guys, so much useful info in this tread! Thanks a lot!!

[Mathematics]

This is quite an informative thread. I think my $0.02 will be appropriate in this thread. Earlier today, I sent an email to Valhalla, stating that the differences between VVV and Room are so subtle and that essentially, it seems that what I can do with Room, I can get seemingly similar results with VVV, especially with the latest version. I also mentioned that I was new to Valhalla and I find Room redundant next to VVV. Also, people's argument for either is split down the middle and inconclusive when comparing these two particular plugins.

I have tried them both extensively and while I can justify some of the suggestions for their uses, both VVV and Room, I don't really see anything that is impossible to do with one that would necessitate the other. This can be argued but every answer will be subjective, just like my opinion in the aforementioned. For all the reasons justifying the specific use of both these plugins, I would just pull the trigger on both, but I really don't hear such a unique and contrasting difference between the two, significant enough for me to accept that I can only accomplish certain tasks with one and not the other. Is Room cleaner and truly more realistic sounding? On average among the presets, it seems so, but I'd be pretty amazed if someone could tell the difference between the two in a blind test. Seriously. Lol. No challenges please.

Long story, short. Sean suggested VVV for my reasons. I went with that. I independently thought the same thing too. For now, I know either one would be a great addition to the toolbox but getting both at the same time...I can't justify it. Although, if I see a VRoom for sale in the future, I'll pick it up just for the chance that there could be something that the hi frequency multiplier adds to sound that I can't get similar results with VVV.

To be quite frank...I would go with either but for me, I like the diversity of sound I get with VVV. Room? I trust you guys and the advice was certainly insightful...so I'll consider that reverb for the reasons given.

Anyway, I mentioned this by chance that if one thinks they're redundant, like me, go with VVV. If you want to sleep soundly, get both.

[acousticglue]

The more modulation within VVV is what steered me away from it and now use Xenoverb in its place. ROOM allows the more transparency of the two. I usually have delays with and if so, have enough other modulating factors to not use a reverb that does that within it. To me reverb is the two together, reverb and delay. But of course can be separate.

[jens]

Overall I been using Room more and kinda like the sound more which is weird because I originally demoed them interested only in vintage verb.

Room is a grower - most (if not all) of the algorithms that were added later on have a decidedly vintage touch. Using them turns VRoom in kind of a modern take on vintage reverbs, I would say.

[vitocorleone123]

Since I already had VVV, I passed on Room, and ended up getting Exponential Nimbus as the alternative for something more "transparent" and "natural". If I hadn't bought that, I'd 100% have Room.

Between VVV/Nimbus/Little Plate on reverb and ValhallaDelay/ReplikaXT for delay, I'm trying to avoid buying more (even though I actually have even more options available than that I tend to not use them).

I am tempted at least once per year to still throw more money at Valhalla for Room, though. It's probably inevitable at some point

[jens]

I never tried Nimbus, but all the examples of it I heard sounded somewhat... I don't know to clean, too clinical to me. I think Room is somewhere between it and V³. Maybe when being familair enough with it and its different algorithms and its possibilites it sort of is the perfect middle ground between the two. I think Room is probably highly underrated. I had if for a couple of years until I actually started to understand and to really like it.