With that crazy list of incredible synths you own, if you can't sound design whatever you want and have in mind with any of these, it's a skill problem you have not a synth one.
Why Can't We Get A CS-80 VST That Actually Sounds Like a CS-80?
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- KVRAF
- 4218 posts since 15 Sep, 2010
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- 25393 posts since 3 Feb, 2005 from in the wilds
I have plenty of synths and am happy with my sound design skills... I'd still like a RePro quality CS-80 emulation...Neon Breath wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 4:04 amWith that crazy list of incredible synths you own, if you can't sound design whatever you want and have in mind with any of these, it's a skill problem you have not a synth one.
- KVRAF
- 2162 posts since 10 Mar, 2006
Wagtunes, try Arminator 2 (with Kujashi's presets (Armin Schiffbauer), after whom Krakli's CS80 emu was named).
For myself I use all 3 of the current emus. And they all can do something unique and sound complementary.
Even with Arturia's version 1 I've been able to do magnificent Vangelis brasses, SFX, and keys, over a decade ago. You just have to know how to do the initial preset properly and then how to process it right.
Also, the factory presets that come with Arturia synths (along with most Xils synths) are some of the worst presets in synth history, they actually make you believe that you have an absolute p.o.s on your hands, when quite the opposite is true.
Some people really don't know how to make good presets, whilst others excel at it and simply inspire, across all of the various types of sounds and the synths to which they contribute.
For myself I use all 3 of the current emus. And they all can do something unique and sound complementary.
Even with Arturia's version 1 I've been able to do magnificent Vangelis brasses, SFX, and keys, over a decade ago. You just have to know how to do the initial preset properly and then how to process it right.
Also, the factory presets that come with Arturia synths (along with most Xils synths) are some of the worst presets in synth history, they actually make you believe that you have an absolute p.o.s on your hands, when quite the opposite is true.
Some people really don't know how to make good presets, whilst others excel at it and simply inspire, across all of the various types of sounds and the synths to which they contribute.
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- 15939 posts since 14 Jun, 2001 from Somewhere else, on principle
And yet, here you are talking up the value of a return to the 1970s.
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- KVRAF
- 2418 posts since 9 Nov, 2016
An emulation has it's merits but it should not be a goal on itself.
Why should a sound from the past per definition be better than something newer.
I absolutely adore Trance pads; the pads from the CS-80 are very nice for sure but I'd take a Trance pad over it any time (on a pure sound basis; depending on the emotion you want to project, you need another flavor of course).
Having all the synths that you own, not having a pure CS-80 should not be a problem.
- Banned
- 7624 posts since 13 Nov, 2015 from Norway
This! He has like 200 synths or somethingNeon Breath wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 4:04 amWith that crazy list of incredible synths you own, if you can't sound design whatever you want and have in mind with any of these, it's a skill problem you have not a synth one.
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- KVRian
- 513 posts since 26 Nov, 2009
How many listeners will spot the difference between a real analogue synth and a vst?
https://soundcloud.com/kv331synthmaster ... -ubukata-5
(I guess that most vst synths have factory presets or analogue preset expansions that cover most of these sounds.)
Aren't GX-1 and CS-80 renown for their performance features, not for their "sound"?
Is there anything special about the sound of Yamaha synthesizers?
https://soundcloud.com/kv331synthmaster ... -ubukata-5
(I guess that most vst synths have factory presets or analogue preset expansions that cover most of these sounds.)
Aren't GX-1 and CS-80 renown for their performance features, not for their "sound"?
Is there anything special about the sound of Yamaha synthesizers?
- KVRAF
- 2834 posts since 8 Jun, 2018
from the same maker for cs-80 v, and other v collection synths;
https://soundcloud.com/nori-ubukata/vangelis-demo-1-mix
https://soundcloud.com/nori-ubukata/rec ... analog-lab
(by the way i am in to vintage soft synths, yes because of how they sound. but i use them "as is", and for example, with the cs-80, which i use a lot (like a hardware synth, the luck of many controllers...), i can make great, great sounds. so i like the arturia sound...) [disclaimer: opinion based on my own workflow, and the goals i have, so a personal opinion, they work for me in an excellent way]
https://soundcloud.com/nori-ubukata/vangelis-demo-1-mix
https://soundcloud.com/nori-ubukata/rec ... analog-lab
(by the way i am in to vintage soft synths, yes because of how they sound. but i use them "as is", and for example, with the cs-80, which i use a lot (like a hardware synth, the luck of many controllers...), i can make great, great sounds. so i like the arturia sound...) [disclaimer: opinion based on my own workflow, and the goals i have, so a personal opinion, they work for me in an excellent way]
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- KVRian
- 1286 posts since 7 Dec, 2013 from Earth
This!Neon Breath wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 4:04 am With that crazy list of incredible synths you own, if you can't sound design whatever you want and have in mind with any of these, it's a skill problem you have not a synth one.
An example: same synth, different sound designer:
https://soundcloud.com/aiyn-zahev/azs-e ... n-for-hive
https://soundcloud.com/steven-wagenheim ... new-sounds
I guess it takes some skill to make an awesome synth like Hive sound like a Commodore 64 SID chip
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- KVRAF
- 35410 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany
That argument always misses the point. Which is inspiration. I get much more inspired playing a Moog emulation, and i much more dig the sound as well, than, say, with a Korg emulation.anomandaris1 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 11:47 am How many listeners will spot the difference between a real analogue synth and a vst?
- KVRAF
- 2275 posts since 4 Dec, 2011 from Brasília, Brazil
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 21196 posts since 8 Oct, 2014
Now go listen to this.waltercruz wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 1:35 pm Paul Schilling on Arturia CS-80
https://soundcloud.com/paul-schilling/b ... -lead-demo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RScZrvTebeA
If you can't tell that the resonance of the Yamaha CS-80 filters blow away Arturia's then I don't know what to tell you.
There is NO comparison. The Arturia is a weak emulation at best.
And mind you, this isn't even one of my favorite pieces of music and isn't even the best example of what the CS-80 can do.
- KVRAF
- 18547 posts since 16 Sep, 2001 from Las Vegas,USA
*Ouch* neither of those demos inspire me to want a CS80, real or emulation (based on the sound not the music).
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- KVRAF
- 25393 posts since 3 Feb, 2005 from in the wilds
There is something lovely about the original... the sound is so nuanced and organic. The guy did a solid effort with the Arturia version, but it is still missing something. It sounds like a VST...wagtunes wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 1:48 pm
If you can't tell that the resonance of the Yamaha CS-80 filters blow away Arturia's then I don't know what to tell you.
There is NO comparison. The Arturia is a weak emulation at best.
And mind you, this isn't even one of my favorite pieces of music and isn't even the best example of what the CS-80 can do.