Looking for a specific kind of vocal sampler plugin that doesn't adjust sample speed

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xbrett82
KVRer
6 posts since 23 Apr, 2019

Post Mon Apr 22, 2019 5:16 pm

Hey all,

I am looking for a plugin in which I can load up multiple vocal samples, extend each of them across an octave on the keyboard, and then mess around and make a melody. I use Logic and currently do this with the EXS24, however this is limiting because it automatically speeds up and slows the sample speed when I adjust the pitch.

I want a similar kind of sampler where I can load in the samples, maybe 5-6, extend them out an octave (C0-C1, C1-C2, etc.) and then play, but with the speed of the sample remaining constant. Anyone have any ideas?

I got UVI workstation, but as far as I know I can't extend out each sample across octaves, I have to basically mess around with each sample individually, record, and then move on to the next sample. If someone knows how to add each sample across the whole keyboard in octaves on UVI, then that would work perfectly.

Thank you!

mixtur.se
KVRist
58 posts since 24 Aug, 2017

Re: Looking for a specific kind of vocal sampler plugin that doesn't adjust sample speed

Post Mon Apr 22, 2019 7:25 pm

Most samplers have a one-shot mode for drum samples etc. I don’t use Logic but I would be surprised if EXS24 doesn’t support this. You can however do this with Kontakt, for instance

rlared
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Re: Looking for a specific kind of vocal sampler plugin that doesn't adjust sample speed

Post Mon Apr 22, 2019 7:44 pm

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ew
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9182 posts since 23 Jul, 2002 from Pequot Lakes, MN

Re: Looking for a specific kind of vocal sampler plugin that doesn't adjust sample speed

Post Mon Apr 22, 2019 8:15 pm

Falcon can, using the stretch oscillator. Since you're used to using the workstation, you'll have some familiarity with the underlying engine.

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msvs
KVRian
1397 posts since 18 Apr, 2011

Re: Looking for a specific kind of vocal sampler plugin that doesn't adjust sample speed

Post Mon Apr 22, 2019 9:25 pm

Avenger, when Keytrack of the OSC is set to "0"

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Distorted Horizon
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1957 posts since 17 Jan, 2017 from Planet of cats

Re: Looking for a specific kind of vocal sampler plugin that doesn't adjust sample speed

Post Mon Apr 22, 2019 10:26 pm

Or you can use the stretch of you daw? If your sample is for example C3, then make duplicates from C3 to C4 and from C3 to C2 and drag the audiofiles to any sampler that can work with multisamples.

CinningBao
KVRAF
1844 posts since 15 Apr, 2004 from Capital City, UK

Re: Looking for a specific kind of vocal sampler plugin that doesn't adjust sample speed

Post Tue Apr 23, 2019 9:39 am

Alchemy (in Logic) in Granular, Spectral or Additive mode

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Vortifex
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1260 posts since 1 Sep, 2016

Re: Looking for a specific kind of vocal sampler plugin that doesn't adjust sample speed

Post Tue Apr 23, 2019 9:40 am

TAL Sampler can do this.

xbrett82
KVRer
6 posts since 23 Apr, 2019

Re: Looking for a specific kind of vocal sampler plugin that doesn't adjust sample speed

Post Tue Apr 23, 2019 9:42 am

mixtur.se wrote:
Mon Apr 22, 2019 7:25 pm
Most samplers have a one-shot mode for drum samples etc. I don’t use Logic but I would be surprised if EXS24 doesn’t support this. You can however do this with Kontakt, for instance
Thanks. So with Kontakt, for instance, I can take 5 random hits within a vocal verse, drop them in Kontakt and spread them across 5 octaves on my keyboard?

xbrett82
KVRer
6 posts since 23 Apr, 2019

Re: Looking for a specific kind of vocal sampler plugin that doesn't adjust sample speed

Post Tue Apr 23, 2019 9:51 am

Vortifex wrote:
Tue Apr 23, 2019 9:40 am
TAL Sampler can do this.
Thanks. It looks promising.

xbrett82
KVRer
6 posts since 23 Apr, 2019

Re: Looking for a specific kind of vocal sampler plugin that doesn't adjust sample speed

Post Tue Apr 23, 2019 9:52 am

CinningBao wrote:
Tue Apr 23, 2019 9:39 am
Alchemy (in Logic) in Granular, Spectral or Additive mode
I knew you could manipulate one vocal sample in alchemy, but I didn't realize you could map out a bunch of vocal hits and extend them across octaves. I'll have to check that out. Thanks!

CinningBao
KVRAF
1844 posts since 15 Apr, 2004 from Capital City, UK

Re: Looking for a specific kind of vocal sampler plugin that doesn't adjust sample speed

Post Tue Apr 23, 2019 12:18 pm

xbrett82 wrote:
Tue Apr 23, 2019 9:52 am
CinningBao wrote:
Tue Apr 23, 2019 9:39 am
Alchemy (in Logic) in Granular, Spectral or Additive mode
I knew you could manipulate one vocal sample in alchemy, but I didn't realize you could map out a bunch of vocal hits and extend them across octaves. I'll have to check that out. Thanks!
It's a powerful synth, one of the most highly-rated until it became Logic-only.
Enjoy :)

mixtur.se
KVRist
58 posts since 24 Aug, 2017

Re: Looking for a specific kind of vocal sampler plugin that doesn't adjust sample speed

Post Tue Apr 23, 2019 12:38 pm

Distorted Horizon wrote:
Mon Apr 22, 2019 10:26 pm
Or you can use the stretch of you daw? If your sample is for example C3, then make duplicates from C3 to C4 and from C3 to C2 and drag the audiofiles to any sampler that can work with multisamples.
Yes, play with the tracking parameter:

Tracking: When enabled, the pitch of the Sample playback will be transposed along with the key position. If your Group contains Zones that are mapped across several keys and should be played tonally, Tracking needs to be activated, or else all keys of the Zone will play at the same pitch. If you want to keep the pitch of a Sample constant across multiple keys or provide a separate Zone for each key (as it’s the case with chromatically sampled Instruments), you can deactivate it.

Page 222 in the manual https://www.native-instruments.com/file ... nglish.pdf

xbrett82
KVRer
6 posts since 23 Apr, 2019

Re: Looking for a specific kind of vocal sampler plugin that doesn't adjust sample speed

Post Tue Apr 23, 2019 4:52 pm

CinningBao wrote:
Tue Apr 23, 2019 12:18 pm
xbrett82 wrote:
Tue Apr 23, 2019 9:52 am
CinningBao wrote:
Tue Apr 23, 2019 9:39 am
Alchemy (in Logic) in Granular, Spectral or Additive mode
I knew you could manipulate one vocal sample in alchemy, but I didn't realize you could map out a bunch of vocal hits and extend them across octaves. I'll have to check that out. Thanks!
It's a powerful synth, one of the most highly-rated until it became Logic-only.
Enjoy :)
Hey,

So I have been working with this in Alchemy and am running into an issue. I import the samples, but the samples exponentially increase in pitch as I go up the keyboard. They don't reset after I've reached the end of an octave. For instance, in EXS24, I'll set up some vocal hits from C0-C1 and C1-C2. At C0 it will start at 0 pitch and transpose up 12 notes, and then when I hit C1 it will start over again with the new vocal hit. But instead, it just keeps rising, so if I load up 5 samples, by the time I hit C5, the pitch is so high you can barely hear it. Is there something I can do to make it so each sample is its own separate entity in terms of pitch, and resets back to zero at the first note?

CinningBao
KVRAF
1844 posts since 15 Apr, 2004 from Capital City, UK

Re: Looking for a specific kind of vocal sampler plugin that doesn't adjust sample speed

Post Wed Apr 24, 2019 12:53 am

On this page https://support.apple.com/kb/PH27157?lo ... cale=en_US look at the screenshot; the column labelled Key underneath Pitch is what you'll need to play with. It kind of works in reverse - the lower the pitch in that value the higher the centre pitch of the sample. You'll need to distance these an octave apart for each sample.

That should be enough to get you going, let us know if not.

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