Synth1: anyone else notice extreme very-low-end output on many patches?
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- KVRian
- 629 posts since 15 Jun, 2017
Haha. Don't matter, since the most recent Synth1 version (1.13 beta) dates from May 2015. Ichiro Toda added 64 bit support, a Lowpass Ladder filter and some technical (backward compatible) improvements.
https://www.kvraudio.com/product/synth1-by-ichiro-toda
Personally I have had more issues with Synth1 killing the lows when resonance is increased....
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- KVRAF
- 3496 posts since 9 Oct, 2004 from Poland
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- KVRian
- 629 posts since 15 Jun, 2017
Using a second instance? That's a bit cumbersome. Both instances would live completely independent lives. Better to just use the right tool for a specific job. There's plenty of alternatives.
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- Banned
- 658 posts since 4 Oct, 2018
Yes, I've noticed this too years ago. Haven't touched for ages. There's some weird shit going on in the oscillator section I think. Or could be somewhere else - don't remember correctly. But tweak it long enough and it will jump out at you. For me, it's buggy and obsolete. Find something else to play with.
- KVRAF
- 18561 posts since 16 Sep, 2001 from Las Vegas,USA
How many synths from 2002 do we still talk about on a regular basis ? That tells you all you need to know about the quality and character of Synth 1. But then I only care what it sounds like not what it looks like on a scope.
Are there better more powerful synths these days ? Of course but there will always be a spot in my VSTi Folder for Synth 1. It certainly belongs in the Hall of Fame.
Are there better more powerful synths these days ? Of course but there will always be a spot in my VSTi Folder for Synth 1. It certainly belongs in the Hall of Fame.
None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free. Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
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- KVRAF
- 3496 posts since 9 Oct, 2004 from Poland
Depends on the host i guess.
Zero problems in REAPER - sometimes i even randomly emulate Synth1 main fine pitch knob and spawn more than a hundred instances for epic sounds that no other synth could make.
Learn same MIDI CC to the same parameters and the 2 instances will behave like one.
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- KVRian
- 1188 posts since 24 May, 2006 from Our Amazing Oasis in Space - USA Section
But isn't that the point of increasing resonance - focusing of the frequency to a tighter and tighter center as resonance is increased, eventually ending in self-oscillation of a specific frequency? The Tone control is also bad about reducing bass as higher frequencies are selected (as opposed to simply boosting selected frequency ranges).
I love Synth1, but she is an imperfect and quirky beast! Maybe that's part of her charm. "It's not a bug - it's a feature!" I only wish she could have been further developed and refined, but I guess we're lucky for what we got!
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- KVRian
- 629 posts since 15 Jun, 2017
All viable options. But, cumbersome. But whatever gets you to your goals...Mutant wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 11:29 amDepends on the host i guess.
Zero problems in REAPER - sometimes i even randomly emulate Synth1 main fine pitch knob and spawn more than a hundred instances for epic sounds that no other synth could make.
Learn same MIDI CC to the same parameters and the 2 instances will behave like one.
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- Banned
- 658 posts since 4 Oct, 2018
A while ago you were dissing Super 8, if I remember correctly. Among others, obviously. Hall of fame - you betcha! Joke of the year more like.Teksonik wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 11:28 am How many synths from 2002 do we still talk about on a regular basis ? That tells you all you need to know about the quality and character of Synth 1. But then I only care what it sounds like not what it looks like on a scope.
Are there better more powerful synths these days ? Of course but there will always be a spot in my VSTi Folder for Synth 1. It certainly belongs in the Hall of Fame.
- KVRian
- 1188 posts since 24 May, 2006 from Our Amazing Oasis in Space - USA Section
So true for the Hall of Fame! And as has been discussed before, does Ichiro Toda even realize what a legendary beast he created? (I know he does because many of us wrote and told him). And was this slice of relative perfection by actual design, or more lucky happenstance, or a mix of both? For me, the softsynth world would be a little less golden without Synth1!Teksonik wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 11:28 am How many synths from 2002 do we still talk about on a regular basis ? That tells you all you need to know about the quality and character of Synth 1. But then I only care what it sounds like not what it looks like on a scope.
Are there better more powerful synths these days ? Of course but there will always be a spot in my VSTi Folder for Synth 1. It certainly belongs in the Hall of Fame.
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- KVRAF
- 18561 posts since 16 Sep, 2001 from Las Vegas,USA
Yes compared to Synth 1 Super 8 is a joke as it has all the character of tap water.
I can't help it if you are unable to understand the concept of character or are incapable of hearing it in action.
But like I said what other synth from 2002 still gets the same amount of love and attention ? There are probably more patches for Synth 1 than any other freeware synth ever released, thousands of them. Again that tells you all you need or should need to know about it's quality and character.
Again are there better synths available these days ? Absolutely but Synth 1 can still hold its own...if you know what you're doing.
None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free. Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
- KVRAF
- 18561 posts since 16 Sep, 2001 from Las Vegas,USA
I've always wondered what a huge commercial success Synth 2 could have been especially considering the competition at the time. I think Ichiro left a lot of money on the table but he doesn't seem to care which is cool.SciFiArtMan wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 11:47 am So true for the Hall of Fame! And as has been discussed before, does Ichiro Toda even realize that a legendary beast he created? (I know he does because many of us wrote and told him). And was this slice of relative perfection by actual design, or more lucky happenstance, or a mix of both? For me, the softsynth world would be a little less golden without Synth1!
I first ran Synth 1 (and multiple instances of it) on a Duron 850 which has less power than our cell phones these days.
Now as mentioned you could run dozens of instances and never even trouble your CPU. No matter what a person's opinion of Synth 1's sound, love it or hate it, no one can deny it contains some of the most efficient code ever to grace VSTi land. It is and always will be a legend.
Whether newbies can understand the legacy of Synth 1 or not it is a first ballot Hall of Fame synth in my book.
None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free. Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
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- KVRian
- 629 posts since 15 Jun, 2017
It's call Lowpass for a reason.SciFiArtMan wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 11:35 amBut isn't that the point of increasing resonance - focusing of the frequency to a tighter and tighter center as resonance is increased, eventually ending in self-oscillation of a specific frequency?
With some Lowpass filters the resonance only emphasizes an ever narrower band of frequencies around the cutoff frequency (and pass the low...). Others morph into an ever narrower bandpass untill they eventually effectively only "pass" a single sine (selfoscillate). Same goes for High Pass filters at the other end of the spectrum. Each type has its uses. There's no wrong or right here.
- KVRian
- 1188 posts since 24 May, 2006 from Our Amazing Oasis in Space - USA Section
You have to admire the code efficiency of a softsynth that can (still) fit on a 1.44mb floppy disk*, along with 1000s of patches! Sure, there is no need anymore, but still an impressive feat (I think, as I load my 100+gb megalithic monstrosity onto my new computer).
*a floppy disk was a small portable memory storage device that...
*a floppy disk was a small portable memory storage device that...