Lexicon plugin reverb versus TC VSS3

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KVRAF
1575 posts since 15 Feb, 2006 from Berkeley, CA

Post Thu Dec 27, 2018 3:46 pm

hodshonf wrote:
Thu Dec 27, 2018 11:04 am
PCM Native Reverb Bundle now at $ 234.87

good deal?

still a valid reverb when SO many others are out there since its release?
IMO, absolutely - if you don't mind iLok and the fact that it's actually a separate plugin for each algorithm. I'm an algorithmic reverb nut and more than anything else I've used the PCM 'verbs "just work". The presets are also great (there are typically 5 versions of each preset - a main one, then light, dark, bandpass, and notch-filtered). In particular having a bandpass each for early/late reflections makes it simple to scuplt the right tone. To get the best of the PCM you'll need to RTFM - understanding the "Shape" and "Spread" parameters is key.

The PCM 'verbs can do everything from transparent small spaces up to huge ambient washes. They're not as pristine as, say Exponential Audio Phoenix/Nimbus or Relab VSR24 (influenced by the TC classics) or as enormous as 2C Audio's Aether/B2, but they are CPU-efficient and reference an iconic sound that's been all over music since the '70s.

It's also worth checking out Exponential Audio's R4, made by Michael Carnes who developed the PCM reverbs. It's in the same quadrant of the galaxy (high-quality modulated 'verbs) with a little more control over modulation, early reflections and attack; plus gate, ducking, distortion, and bit reduction.

Hey are you on TalkBass? Screen name sounds familiar.
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Re: Lexicon plugin reverb versus TC VSS3

Post Thu Dec 27, 2018 4:45 pm

dimitris108 wrote:
Fri Jan 01, 2010 11:24 pm
Opinions please...
Thats a difficult one...
Both are very good, with different sounds and sonics.
Thus the need for several reverbs.

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759 posts since 31 Aug, 2004

Re: Lexicon plugin reverb versus TC VSS3

Post Mon May 20, 2019 7:36 am

After many years of research I can say that Lexicon PCM is the best reverb plugin by far

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Re: Lexicon plugin reverb versus TC VSS3

Post Mon May 20, 2019 7:57 am


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759 posts since 31 Aug, 2004

Re: Lexicon plugin reverb versus TC VSS3

Post Mon May 20, 2019 12:03 pm

For me the way how PCM and VSS3 blends with dry signal is unbelievable

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921 posts since 17 Jun, 2012

Re: Lexicon plugin reverb versus TC VSS3

Post Mon May 20, 2019 12:35 pm

poshook wrote:
Mon May 20, 2019 12:03 pm
For me the way how PCM and VSS3 blends with dry signal is unbelievable
Indeeed. These two are the gold standard imo and better than just about any other algo reverbs on the market that disappoint me terribly. Most algo reverbs ruin sound as quickly any low quality digital comps and comoressors. They blur the sound and make everythig extremely muddy. Compared to hardware counterparts they lsck depth, width, and clarity.

These two are exceptions. The only other two that interest me after a long list of trials with most reverbs are the mturbo reverb mentioned in another post and Virsyn Reflect (oldie and hybrid of convolution for early reflections and and algo tail) based off some more impressive sound samples online.

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KVRAF
1575 posts since 15 Feb, 2006 from Berkeley, CA

Re: Lexicon plugin reverb versus TC VSS3

Post Wed May 22, 2019 8:12 pm

AC222 wrote:
Mon May 20, 2019 12:35 pm
poshook wrote:
Mon May 20, 2019 12:03 pm
For me the way how PCM and VSS3 blends with dry signal is unbelievable
Indeeed. These two are the gold standard imo and better than just about any other algo reverbs on the market that disappoint me terribly. Most algo reverbs ruin sound as quickly any low quality digital comps and comoressors. They blur the sound and make everythig extremely muddy. Compared to hardware counterparts they lsck depth, width, and clarity.

These two are exceptions. The only other two that interest me after a long list of trials with most reverbs are the mturbo reverb mentioned in another post and Virsyn Reflect (oldie and hybrid of convolution for early reflections and and algo tail) based off some more impressive sound samples online.
Curious, have either of you compared VSS3 to Relab VSR24? I know they're not modeling exactly the same TC devices. VSR24 is impressive but feels kind of impersonal to me, and honestly I feel like I'd need better monitors to make use of its nuances. Hearing you compare the blend of VSS3 and PCM (which does something unique - make even dark, colored low-volume reverb audible but not overpowering or muddy) intrigues me.
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3736 posts since 25 Dec, 2004 from Melbourne, Australia

Re: Lexicon plugin reverb versus TC VSS3

Post Wed May 22, 2019 8:56 pm

If Relab VSR24 was a tad more CPU efficient, It'd be my go-to reverb.
All I can say is, it sounds stunning... lush, clean and it's quite flexible.

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225 posts since 30 Jun, 2014 from Pacific NW

Re: Lexicon plugin reverb versus TC VSS3

Post Wed May 22, 2019 9:03 pm

I found Illusion to sound better - and easier to use (to me).

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355 posts since 4 Oct, 2018

Re: Lexicon plugin reverb versus TC VSS3

Post Wed May 22, 2019 9:36 pm

Winstontaneous wrote:
Wed May 22, 2019 8:12 pm
Curious, have either of you compared VSS3 to Relab VSR24? I know they're not modeling exactly the same TC devices. VSR24 is impressive
Random folks on the net comparing reverbs... how valid is that?

VSR24 is version 6, VSS3 is version 3, so this should be enough to make a conclusion.

And TC is physical modelling, the Lexicon is abstract algo. A huge difference.

TC is 'source reverb', Lexicon is 'mix reverb'. Yet another huge difference.

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KVRAF
1575 posts since 15 Feb, 2006 from Berkeley, CA

Re: Lexicon plugin reverb versus TC VSS3

Post Wed May 22, 2019 10:06 pm

perfumer wrote:
Wed May 22, 2019 9:36 pm
Winstontaneous wrote:
Wed May 22, 2019 8:12 pm
Curious, have either of you compared VSS3 to Relab VSR24? I know they're not modeling exactly the same TC devices. VSR24 is impressive
Random folks on the net comparing reverbs... how valid is that?
I love algorithmic reverbs and ask random folks about their experience with them in pretty much every 'verb thread. :party:
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355 posts since 4 Oct, 2018

Re: Lexicon plugin reverb versus TC VSS3

Post Wed May 22, 2019 10:29 pm

Winstontaneous wrote:
Wed May 22, 2019 10:06 pm
perfumer wrote:
Wed May 22, 2019 9:36 pm
Winstontaneous wrote:
Wed May 22, 2019 8:12 pm
Curious, have either of you compared VSS3 to Relab VSR24? I know they're not modeling exactly the same TC devices. VSR24 is impressive
Random folks on the net comparing reverbs... how valid is that?
I love algorithmic reverbs and ask random folks about their experience with them in pretty much every 'verb thread. :party:
So how do you know their skill level, style, use - to make a conclusion if their opinion is valid or not?

Just having a talk on a favourite topic? That's different from asking a specific question and receiving an informed and competent answer.

Now look here: 1. Lexicon PCM reverbs are gorgeous, man, they are on countless records, etc. 2. Oh, but they are outdated because Exponential Audio. 3. What kind of Plate and Vintage Plate is that, it's not physical modelling, how can you compare it to VPlate or to Kush plate?! 4. Oh, but they mix better with large track counts. 5. Never mind that, I prefer reverb X from company Y, because..... And so on and so forth - all this becomes rather predictable after a while, don't you think?

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KVRAF
3736 posts since 25 Dec, 2004 from Melbourne, Australia

Re: Lexicon plugin reverb versus TC VSS3

Post Thu May 23, 2019 1:31 am

i think you're a sad c**t and you should stop taking up space.
as we say in the industry.

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KVRian
548 posts since 8 Jan, 2012 from frankfurt, Germany

Re: Lexicon plugin reverb versus TC VSS3

Post Thu May 23, 2019 1:57 am

i also would prefer exponential audio over lexicon

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sqigls
KVRAF
3736 posts since 25 Dec, 2004 from Melbourne, Australia

Re: Lexicon plugin reverb versus TC VSS3

Post Thu May 23, 2019 2:46 am

that vintage plate is a gem though,
i'd rather have that one than all the EA verbs... probably

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