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Pianoroll ideas - stealing from Propellerhead Software (PH)
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- 11467 posts since 4 Jan, 2017 from Warsaw, Poland
Before some of you run to Google, no - PH hasn't released Reason v11 with improved workflow, but instead last week they've released a PolyStep player, which is basically a sequencer device you put before instrument (like "our" Note FX) and it generates or alters notes. After playing with it for a bit and encouraged by discussion on ReasonTalk forum I though it would be interesting to kick around some ideas inspired by it, that could be implemented into Bitwig's piano roll.
1) Clip could have a Key & Scale defined, so that all the notes falling outside of it are hidden and cannot be chosen. Alternatively, clip could follow a global Key & Scale in a manner of Chord Track known from Cubase or Studio One (that can be faked with Multi-Note, Diatonic Transposer and Note Pitch Shift, but it's really painful to set up).
2) If you'd select a part of clip - a vertical slice, a rectangular area - you could generate random notes following the Key & Scale and perhaps other settings like likelihood that notes overlap (legato), density of the pattern, variation in terms of velocity, length, etc. You would also be able to select existing notes and alter them as above.
3) You could select a single note and drag it up to create a chord (again, following specified Key & Scale) so the longer you drag it the more notes are added and - with modifier key - you'd change the form / voicing of the chord; you could drag it to the sides to create arps or strums, with additional options to finetune them.
4) You could add conditional triggers to notes, not unlike in Elektron devices, so simple probability of the note getting triggered but also more deterministic stuff: only trigger when previous note was triggered (or only when it wasn't), trigger it every 2nd time the loop plays, trigger only on 1st or 4th loop play (great for rides or breaks), etc.
What you think?
Check the video of how Reason's PolyStep works:
https://www.propellerheads.com/shop/rac ... sequencer/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Xo4YmEGlxY
1) Clip could have a Key & Scale defined, so that all the notes falling outside of it are hidden and cannot be chosen. Alternatively, clip could follow a global Key & Scale in a manner of Chord Track known from Cubase or Studio One (that can be faked with Multi-Note, Diatonic Transposer and Note Pitch Shift, but it's really painful to set up).
2) If you'd select a part of clip - a vertical slice, a rectangular area - you could generate random notes following the Key & Scale and perhaps other settings like likelihood that notes overlap (legato), density of the pattern, variation in terms of velocity, length, etc. You would also be able to select existing notes and alter them as above.
3) You could select a single note and drag it up to create a chord (again, following specified Key & Scale) so the longer you drag it the more notes are added and - with modifier key - you'd change the form / voicing of the chord; you could drag it to the sides to create arps or strums, with additional options to finetune them.
4) You could add conditional triggers to notes, not unlike in Elektron devices, so simple probability of the note getting triggered but also more deterministic stuff: only trigger when previous note was triggered (or only when it wasn't), trigger it every 2nd time the loop plays, trigger only on 1st or 4th loop play (great for rides or breaks), etc.
What you think?
Check the video of how Reason's PolyStep works:
https://www.propellerheads.com/shop/rac ... sequencer/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Xo4YmEGlxY
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- KVRist
- 30 posts since 9 Jan, 2016
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- KVRian
- 841 posts since 6 Nov, 2004 from UK
Now that the devs have completed the main body of work of "the grid" and will therefore undoubtedly have tonnes of free time on their hahds () it would be very cool if they gave the piano roll some real love & attention.
While it is currently "adequately functional" it's also a bit basic & somehow sluggish.
I'm sure they could really do some innovative things if they put their mind to it.
While it is currently "adequately functional" it's also a bit basic & somehow sluggish.
I'm sure they could really do some innovative things if they put their mind to it.
- KVRian
- 1292 posts since 7 Dec, 2017
"Creating compelling chord progressions traditionally requires an advanced understanding of music theory."
That's a funny video. I almost fell out of my chair laughing when he said "or switch to sequencer mode to overdub your own melody using your favorite midi controller"
". . .without interrupting your creative workflow . . ." Stops to fiddle around with stuff for the next 45 minutes on a loop. Totally forgot what I was doing.
I thought people liked Scaler, instachord, ect. Are these other midi generators resource hogs? Is it the arp?
But yeah, I'm all for it. Why not? Toss it into the piano roll.
hmm feel like Iv'e seen this video before, just can't remember . . . no matter.
That's a funny video. I almost fell out of my chair laughing when he said "or switch to sequencer mode to overdub your own melody using your favorite midi controller"
". . .without interrupting your creative workflow . . ." Stops to fiddle around with stuff for the next 45 minutes on a loop. Totally forgot what I was doing.
I thought people liked Scaler, instachord, ect. Are these other midi generators resource hogs? Is it the arp?
But yeah, I'm all for it. Why not? Toss it into the piano roll.
hmm feel like Iv'e seen this video before, just can't remember . . . no matter.
-JH
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- 11467 posts since 4 Jan, 2017 from Warsaw, Poland
Nope, they just generate or alter MIDI.JHernandez wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:04 pmI thought people liked Scaler, instachord, ect. Are these other midi generators resource hogs? Is it the arp?
Well, Props released few Player devices, so it could be either of those:JHernandez wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:04 pmhmm feel like Iv'e seen this video before, just can't remember . . . no matter.
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Quad Note Generator - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDP-bh6zeY0
Drum Sequencer - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gr_XQ4qmaPA
Scales & Chords - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMqfUXlLznA
Note Echo - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDaGOoNFNvE
Dual Arp - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIY4ErgmlIM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdd0OfMghTA
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- KVRist
- 266 posts since 20 May, 2018
Re: #1, it's easily workaround-ed; add short notes for each in the key, move them all "behind" the start line, then work in the "drum editor" mode which hides any keys that don't have notes on them. One bonus of that is that the notes are now tall enough to show the name of the note on them as well.
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- KVRian
- 1292 posts since 7 Dec, 2017
Ah, yeah, I probably saw another one in a similar style. And yeah, Ive seen that Pulsar one.antic604 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:20 pmNope, they just generate or alter MIDI.JHernandez wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:04 pmI thought people liked Scaler, instachord, ect. Are these other midi generators resource hogs? Is it the arp?
Well, Props released few Player devices, so it could be either of those:JHernandez wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:04 pmhmm feel like Iv'e seen this video before, just can't remember . . . no matter.
But nothing beats the hilarity of this videoCode: Select all
Quad Note Generator - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDP-bh6zeY0 Drum Sequencer - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gr_XQ4qmaPA Scales & Chords - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMqfUXlLznA Note Echo - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDaGOoNFNvE Dual Arp - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIY4ErgmlIM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdd0OfMghTA
-JH
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- KVRist
- 401 posts since 27 Mar, 2019 from stuck in Russia
If we're talking about sequencing and stealing ideas from Propellerhead, I've already proposed to give touch keyboard a makeover and steal some features from Figure app. In case of Bitwig, it would be also great if touch keyboard could adapt to NoteFX chains in the track, to represent what actual notes will be played and show 'ghost' notes from multi-note and arpeggios and whatever else. One other thing to steal from Figure - the way Overdub works there (as additional overdub mode).
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- KVRAF
- 4494 posts since 3 Oct, 2013 from Budapest
for me scale highlighting would be the top prio to able to build/see chords(and their qualities/types) in any position, to able to see intervals in any position
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwVM2H6Giro
without any thinking, best musical feature in FL for me
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwVM2H6Giro
without any thinking, best musical feature in FL for me
"Where we're workarounding, we don't NEED features." - powermat
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- KVRAF
- 4494 posts since 3 Oct, 2013 from Budapest
from the OP, "1) Clip could have a Key & Scale defined, so that all the notes falling outside of it are hidden and cannot be chosen" please no I would vote scale highlighting here too instead, for ex. non-scale notes or borrowed chords are super useful ones and they are out of the actually used scale, check the penultimate chord for ex.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pA0AL6yBoH8
they are able to add a chord progression a very special favor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pA0AL6yBoH8
they are able to add a chord progression a very special favor
"Where we're workarounding, we don't NEED features." - powermat
- KVRAF
- 25397 posts since 3 Feb, 2005 from in the wilds
Seems so much easier for me to have midi step input. So I can select a note and play whatever chord I want on my keyboardantic604 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:44 am3) You could select a single note and drag it up to create a chord (again, following specified Key & Scale) so the longer you drag it the more notes are added and - with modifier key - you'd change the form / voicing of the chord; you could drag it to the sides to create arps or strums, with additional options to finetune them.
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- KVRist
- 335 posts since 10 Apr, 2002
Love that FL feature in the video above where a 'line' plays the chords vertically.
Agree with xbits that "non-scale notes or borrowed chords are super useful". I'd still like to have a defined scale feature, but without being locked into it.
Agree with xbits that "non-scale notes or borrowed chords are super useful". I'd still like to have a defined scale feature, but without being locked into it.
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- KVRAF
- 4494 posts since 3 Oct, 2013 from Budapest
^^^ Cubase also can play different notes (chords) in the same position, it's the note selection with pressed cmd/ctrl
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9njw1ujnss
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that would be also acceptable (plus has a nice chord track)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9njw1ujnss
0:40
that would be also acceptable (plus has a nice chord track)
"Where we're workarounding, we don't NEED features." - powermat