Arturia Pigments on sale!

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Post Sat Jun 15, 2019 11:00 pm

Meh. I installed the demo and after 2 x 20 min sessions previewing presets and trying to tweak a few things, I'm not convinced. Yes, it does sound quite nice but so do all the other synths I rely on and the only new things this seems to offer are things that I don't see the point of. You know, weird stuff that I've never heard in another synth but can't imagine anyone at all finding a use for in a song. The modulation stuff is nice, very nice, but not enough to get it over the line for me. It's sound reminds me a lot of Equator but without the amazingness of 5D touch and MPE to really sell it. None of the presets I tried even had anything dialled in for aftertouch.
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drdriller
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Re: Arturia Pigments on sale!

Post Sun Jun 16, 2019 4:17 am

jeffb01 wrote:
Thu Jun 13, 2019 8:07 pm
-two filters that have very flexible routing. you can have the filters in parallel or in serial or anything in between. You can have each OSC go different filters while still having them serial. Massive does all this, but Serum only has one filter, Parallel is tough on the same OSC in Avenger, and I think it’s either serial or parallel in icarus and all oscs are treated together.

-Loopable envelopes, so they act more as LFOs. Very cool. Also Envelopes can be switched to ADR so there is no sustain and runs its cycle when triggered. I don't think any of these synths offer that, though I think Omnisphere does.

-Envelopes have modifiable attack and decay curves. Avenger can do this, too, but Icarus and Serum can’t (to my knowledge)

-Lfo shape is modifiable. Icarus can do this, but not nearly to the same extent. You can straight up change a shape in Avenger, but not slowly over the course of a bar or whatever like in Pigments. I don’t think you can do much with the LFO in serum.
Serum has two filters, the second one is in fx section so they can only be serial.

In Serum lfo can switch to enveloppe mode so they act like enveloppe without sustain.

in Serum enveloppes attack, decay and Release curves can be edited.

you can also draw your LFO shape by hand (or quantized step or ramp), you can even import the shape you drawn into a oscillator, and shape can be saved/imported on the same format than xfer lfo tools VST.

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jeffb01
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Re: Arturia Pigments on sale!

Post Sun Jun 16, 2019 5:28 am

First of all, I love Serum - and wrote this up to show some things Pigments can do that a lot of other synths can't. So this is for clarification.
drdriller wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2019 4:17 am
Serum has two filters, the second one is in fx section so they can only be serial.
That's pretty much what I was saying. I don't really count the FX section filter. Pigments has one in the effects section, too - but I don't say Pigments has 3 filters. Though I will say that serum's one filter is very flexible how you can choose what osc/noise/sub goes thru it and I love the wet/dry which most synths don't have (including pigments - though there is a workaround if you use only one filter). The filter in Serum's FX section is stuck with everything (though noise and sub have direct out) and I don't think it even has key tracking.
drdriller wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2019 4:17 am
In Serum lfo can switch to enveloppe mode so they act like enveloppe without sustain.
That is true. Very nice feature. But they lose some of the benefits of an envelope (modifying attack or decay over time)
drdriller wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2019 4:17 am
in Serum enveloppes attack, decay and Release curves can be edited.
I understand, but I don't believe they are modifiable. in other words, as the song goes on, can you change the curve to make a sound pluckier and pluckier.
drdriller wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2019 4:17 am
you can also draw your LFO shape by hand (or quantized step or ramp), you can even import the shape you drawn into a oscillator, and shape can be saved/imported on the same format than xfer lfo tools VST.
I understand. Pigments has this too (not the importing into Osc) - it's called function. I was trying to say you can modify the shape over time. Like in pigments, you can have a sine wave as an LFO that slowly turns into a square and then slowly turns into a sawtooth.

Please let me know if I got something wrong. Believe me, Serum does tons of things Pigments can't - but I made this to show what differentiate Pigments. I think after Massive X, I'll make a thread that has a battle of the wavetable synths blowout.

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jeffb01
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Re: Arturia Pigments on sale!

Post Sun Jun 16, 2019 5:38 am

BONES wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2019 11:00 pm
Meh.
Meh?!? You scolded me for being disappointed in Sektor. I guess I'm the Bizarro version of you. You loved Sektot but "Meh" on Pigments and I'm completely smitten with Pigments. You don't like VST monosynths and think Motorsynth is totally stupid (thought you're probably right on that). I am Bizarro Bones.

Rastkovic
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Re: Arturia Pigments on sale!

Post Sun Jun 16, 2019 6:29 am

drdriller wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2019 4:17 am
Serum has two filters, the second one is in fx section so they can only be serial.
The 2nd filter in Serum is only monophonic, like Pigments 3rd filter(!) in the fx section.... ;)
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drdriller
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Re: Arturia Pigments on sale!

Post Sun Jun 16, 2019 11:42 am

Rastkovic wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2019 6:29 am
drdriller wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2019 4:17 am
Serum has two filters, the second one is in fx section so they can only be serial.
The 2nd filter in Serum is only monophonic, like Pigments 3rd filter(!) in the fx section.... ;)
?? filter in fx section is exactly the same than the filter section except for display.
jeffb01 wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2019 5:28 am
drdriller wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2019 4:17 am
in Serum enveloppes attack, decay and Release curves can be edited.
I understand, but I don't believe they are modifiable. in other words, as the song goes on, can you change the curve to make a sound pluckier and pluckier.
all enveloppe curves can be automated

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jeffb01
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Post Sun Jun 16, 2019 11:53 am

drdriller wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2019 4:17 am
all enveloppe curves can be automated
I tested it. It is monophonic. Well, anyway:

How can I modulate the decay curve of an envelope? I don't know and would like to know if it is possible.

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Post Sun Jun 16, 2019 12:13 pm

jeffb01 wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2019 11:53 am
I tested it. It is monophonic. Well, anyway:
xferManual wrote:Filter
The effect filter operates identical to the per-voice synth filter found on
the main OSC tab, except running as a master effect. Please refer to
the chapter titled “Filter Module” for speci fics about the controls.
jeffb01 wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2019 11:53 am
How can I modulate the decay curve of an envelope? I don't know and would like to know if it is possible.
i don't know which daw you use but in ableton just move while recording, or assign it to a macro (press map, move)

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jeffb01
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Re: Arturia Pigments on sale!

Post Sun Jun 16, 2019 12:25 pm

drdriller wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2019 12:13 pm
i don't know which daw you use but in ableton just move while recording, or assign it to a macro (press map, move)
Indeed it works in bitwig. very cool. thanks. It doesn't work with the lfo, but very cool. I can't figure how to do it within serum, but that's a simple enough way. You won this one.

drdriller
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Re: Arturia Pigments on sale!

Post Sun Jun 16, 2019 1:35 pm

:) no way to morph the lfo shape, a good point for pigment.

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Re: Arturia Pigments on sale!

Post Sun Jun 16, 2019 6:56 pm

jeffb01 wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2019 5:38 am
Meh?!? You scolded me for being disappointed in Sektor. I guess I'm the Bizarro version of you. You loved Sektot but "Meh" on Pigments and I'm completely smitten with Pigments.
If I didn't have Equator or a Seaboard, I'd have been a lot more impressed with Pigments, I'm sure. But it reminded me a lot of Equator's sound which made it seem redundant in my set-up. And my "special" price is US$99, which is the most I've ever paid for any VSTi.
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Rastkovic
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82 posts since 26 Jul, 2018 from North Rhine-Westphalia, Germany

Re: Arturia Pigments on sale!

Post Mon Jun 17, 2019 2:03 am

drdriller wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2019 11:42 am
Rastkovic wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2019 6:29 am
drdriller wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2019 4:17 am
Serum has two filters, the second one is in fx section so they can only be serial.
The 2nd filter in Serum is only monophonic, like Pigments 3rd filter(!) in the fx section.... ;)
?? filter in fx section is exactly the same than the filter section except for display.
Äh, no. The filter is identical, but the 1st filter is polyphonic, the 2nd filter in the fx section is only monophonic. Disable the main filter, use the fx filter and play some poly stuff (some chords and a melody on the top). Now it works like a Korg Poly-800. :)

Btw: You have already quoted the correct part in the manual....
drdriller wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2019 12:13 pm
xferManual wrote:Filter
The effect filter operates identical to the per-voice synth filter found on
the main OSC tab, except running as a master effect. Please refer to
the chapter titled “Filter Module” for speci fics about the controls.
::keep calm, and make great sounds

pugilistas
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Re: Arturia Pigments on sale!

Post Wed Jun 19, 2019 9:53 am

Does Pigments now allow a single midi source to go to multiple destinations? Last I looked, this did not appear to be the case. That's a 'deal breaker' for me. Otherwise I'd be intrigued....

dentnile
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Post Wed Jun 19, 2019 12:01 pm

pugilistas wrote:
Wed Jun 19, 2019 9:53 am
Does Pigments now allow a single midi source to go to multiple destinations? Last I looked, this did not appear to be the case. That's a 'deal breaker' for me. Otherwise I'd be intrigued....
What is that? Is that not a feature of the DAW?

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Post Wed Jun 19, 2019 3:35 pm

I bought Pigments a while ago and it sounded good to me. It still does, but as I was going through the presets, I noticed that most of them cause CPU crackle, even though the CPU doesn’t seem to be spiking. I don’t remember noticing this during my demo.. but maybe I was mostly making my own patches... it just seems odd because I don’t see much about the factory patches that would suggest high CPU needs.
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