Do you use chord generator tools or similar plugins to create chords? Which ones?

Chords, scales, harmony, melody, etc.
dasen
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89 posts since 15 May, 2012

Post Tue Jun 25, 2019 1:44 pm

Hello,



Do you use chord generator plugins or similar chord tools to help you create chords? Which are your favorites?

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Forgotten
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1131 posts since 15 Apr, 2019 from Nowhere

Re: Do you use chord generator tools or similar plugins to create chords? Which ones?

Post Tue Jun 25, 2019 1:51 pm

No, I've tried them but the results aren't really satisfying. Makes me feel like I'm doing paint by numbers with music.

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jancivil
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18839 posts since 20 Oct, 2007 from No Location

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Post Tue Jun 25, 2019 1:53 pm

here we go again

Yeah, no, I have ideas, the software doesn't know what they are so there is no help.

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capracan
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55 posts since 21 Feb, 2010

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Post Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:28 pm

yes i do, my chord knowledge is weak.

CodeFN42 Chordz is a helpful Tool to find similar chord in a scale and quick play them.
In Bitwig i use sometimes Diatonic Transposer to not miss any scale.

sometime i create chord progressions just from hearing/ feeeling and need a tool where i can type in my existing notes
and find matches. have a eye at "Scaler" but i am not sure is it good one.

MadBrain
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956 posts since 1 Dec, 2004

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Post Tue Jul 09, 2019 1:17 pm

No. I've learned all my major and minor scales and chords. Playing them by muscle memory is a lot faster.

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Jbravo
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1389 posts since 20 May, 2002 from Cambridge, UK

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Post Tue Jul 09, 2019 1:24 pm

I have a prog called Chordpulse, which I intended just for sketching out songs without any production distractions, but not for composing for me. I've also got an Android app called Chordbot which is well suited for the same thing though to be honest I've barely used them. I don't find it hard coming up with good chord ideas, I just wanted tools to get them down quickly - but then found it much quicker and more easier just to play them into the piano roll myself

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jacqueslacouth
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1016 posts since 18 Nov, 2004 from The Liberated People's Republic of Straya

Re: Do you use chord generator tools or similar plugins to create chords? Which ones?

Post Tue Jul 09, 2019 2:02 pm

I did up until VERY recently. I then had it gently pointed out that I was a lazy, inferior mong for doing so. I have since pulled out the old ZOOM MRS 1044 and playing only HW synths and guitars into it live (many, many takes to get each track anywhere near right). I AM using a metronome to help with timing while creating (very simple) beats with the Korg Wavedrum.

What is being created is significantly simpler than what I was achieving with Captain chords which generated chords I never even knew existed BUT it has a pleasing simplicity that harks back to the glory days of gigging with the lads.

datroof
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142 posts since 19 Sep, 2012

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Post Tue Jul 09, 2019 2:36 pm

I own a few of these kinds of programs, because this is an area of interest, and I think there are a lot of cool possibilities beyond just using them as a 'crutch'. I haven't found any of the existing chord/music creation software to be useful to me - yet. I've written some software that suggests chord changes based on several criteria, including things like "show me a chord progression starting with chord X, ending with chord y, in the style composer z" etc. Then "show me some substitution options in that progression, characteristic of genre xx, or composer yy", etc. Basically trying to recreate some of the thought process of, say, a jazz pianist or arranger (it is geared towards jazz, because that's how I think). I believe there is tremendous potential there, at least until the robots take over the world.

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jancivil
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18839 posts since 20 Oct, 2007 from No Location

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Post Tue Jul 09, 2019 4:26 pm

That would be pretty cool.

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Forgotten
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1131 posts since 15 Apr, 2019 from Nowhere

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Post Tue Jul 09, 2019 4:38 pm

I think that would be really useful for practicing improvisation.

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jancivil
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Post Tue Jul 09, 2019 5:32 pm

WWWSD





what would Wayne Shorter do

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Forgotten
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1131 posts since 15 Apr, 2019 from Nowhere

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Post Tue Jul 09, 2019 5:42 pm

jancivil wrote:
Tue Jul 09, 2019 5:32 pm
WWWSD





what would Wayne Shorter do
:hihi:

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Michael L
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2717 posts since 25 Jan, 2014 from The End of The World as We Knowit

Re: Do you use chord generator tools or similar plugins to create chords? Which ones?

Post Tue Jul 09, 2019 6:16 pm

Forgotten wrote:
Tue Jun 25, 2019 1:51 pm
No, I've tried them but the results aren't really satisfying.
I wonder if it’s actually possible for software to be more satisfying than playing?

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Forgotten
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1131 posts since 15 Apr, 2019 from Nowhere

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Post Tue Jul 09, 2019 7:23 pm

Michael L wrote:
Tue Jul 09, 2019 6:16 pm
Forgotten wrote:
Tue Jun 25, 2019 1:51 pm
No, I've tried them but the results aren't really satisfying.
I wonder if it’s actually possible for software to be more satisfying than playing?
Maybe to some, but to me I just don't get any sense of achievement out of software creating a chord sequence for me.

If I use a chord sequence I want to hunt it, skin it and cook it myself rather than get it in a vacuum sealed package from the supermarket.

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jancivil
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18839 posts since 20 Oct, 2007 from No Location

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Post Wed Jul 10, 2019 7:58 am

I wonder if it's possible for having a machine stand in for your own thought to be more satisfying. If someone is "playing" and they don't have much good information really or chops, that wouldn't be very satisfying but I don't know what it's like to have an algorithm guess at the answer from key and scale as clues, it seems kind of barren to me. I did trial and error for a while before I knew any roman numeral identities or classic function. :shrug:
What seems to be missing for people who are stumped is the experience obtaining the clues by osmosis playing extant music, from a fake book or by taking it off the record, or just from people in your vicinity.

actually Datroof's idea if successful would tend to give you things you may not have thought of, knowing what you're after giving it more sophisticated cues than just key/scale but there is probably no such thing on the marketplace currently.

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