Need healp Recreating the sound of a whale

How to make that sound...
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KVRist
30 posts since 25 Apr, 2012

Post Sun Jun 30, 2019 12:47 pm

Hey guys,

i need help recreating the sound of a whale on Massive.
I got no idea to start with, is anybody here to help me?

Greetings

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Aloysius
KVRAF
23935 posts since 11 Aug, 2008 from the Land of Soy

Re: Need healp Recreating the sound of a whale

Post Sun Jun 30, 2019 1:12 pm

Have you an example? Is this video useful?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDqP7kcr-sc

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Kwurqx
KVRist
418 posts since 15 Jun, 2017

Re: Need healp Recreating the sound of a whale

Post Sun Jun 30, 2019 1:25 pm

Guess you mean that *wailing* sound (OK, silly word joke).

Just start of with a sine and some pitch modulation (e.g. by envelope, Mod Wheel or other modulation source). E.g. half a second up pitch bend up (to above the note) then some half a second pitch bend down (to below the note). Then end with a slow pitch bend upward (maybe use release). Maybe vary the pitch bend depth with Velocity (and/or Mod Wheel). You could distort that sine a bit (e.g. with some drive and/or saturation and/or shaper) to get some added harmonics. Lots of reverb et voila. The basic sound is there.

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KVRist
418 posts since 15 Jun, 2017

Re: Need healp Recreating the sound of a whale

Post Sun Jun 30, 2019 1:34 pm

Addendum...

Some pretty clean recordings this video. You wont get away with a clean sine obviously. You will need to enrich that sine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WabT1L-nN-E

Some amplitude modulation (e.g. LFO to almost audio audiorate) will do the quavering. Squarish shapes as modulators.

Kwurqx
KVRist
418 posts since 15 Jun, 2017

Re: Need healp Recreating the sound of a whale

Post Sun Jun 30, 2019 2:08 pm

Addendum 2

Seems "PWM"-ed sine shapes work really well for this. That is: where the sine's zero crossing is shifted to the left (or right, which is basically the same). The first (or second) half of the period is slowed down / strecthed in time, the second (or first) is sped up / compressed in time. Some synths (like Melda's new MSoundFactory offer control over this (where you can just bend the "speed"/modulation curve). This sort of wave shaping can also be achieved by phase/frequency modulation (e.g. at 1:1 ratio and low modulation amounts). There are probably wavetables with these sort of waves/waveshaping available too.

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KVRian
716 posts since 26 Oct, 2011

Re: Need healp Recreating the sound of a whale

Post Sun Jun 30, 2019 3:00 pm

Also you need a sound system that is capable of producing 180db-220db sounds, depending on the type of whale! Blue whales are at 180, sperm whales at 220.

Just kidding, but seriously, whales are loud. So loud that they could technically speaking kill you with their voice alone, however that has never happened.

My two cents however: flanger can also help here. Flanger and reverb after the flanger. The flange would have to be at 100% though and manually controllable, so something like Flair could perhaps do it. There's this nice song by Funki Porcini, "The Great Drive By". A remix of that song (also by... Funki Porcini? he remixed his own song) where during one moment I suspect he uses flangers really heavily and it created that sort of whale tone.

Check it out at 4:08 or so: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeOh2VTCQ74

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Michael L
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2715 posts since 25 Jan, 2014 from The End of The World as We Knowit

Re: Need healp Recreating the sound of a whale

Post Sun Jun 30, 2019 3:13 pm

I think you will also need an expressive controller, like a TEC Breath and Bite controller 2

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Dillinger
KVRist
221 posts since 2 Apr, 2016

Re: Need healp Recreating the sound of a whale

Post Sun Jun 30, 2019 3:31 pm

Which whale sound are you requiring exactly? There are a number of different sounds that whales produce and they will require a different approach to each unique voice. Identify a sound from the videos provided above with a time that it occurred and that would be a good starting point.

I’ve never had to attempt this, so I’m glad you asked.

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KVRian
1117 posts since 2 Jun, 2016

Re: Need healp Recreating the sound of a whale

Post Sun Jun 30, 2019 3:38 pm

TryThisForExample wrote:
Sun Jun 30, 2019 12:47 pm
Hey guys,

i need help recreating the sound of a whale on Massive.
I got no idea to start with, is anybody here to help me?

Greetings
The key thing when using Massive for whale sounds is to include plenty of phat wobble.

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vurt
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46992 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass

Re: Need healp Recreating the sound of a whale

Post Tue Jul 02, 2019 3:52 am

what species?

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McLilith
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1796 posts since 7 Jul, 2003 from Huntington, WV

Re: Need healp Recreating the sound of a whale

Post Wed Jul 10, 2019 12:19 pm

Kwurqx wrote:
Sun Jun 30, 2019 1:34 pm
Addendum...

Some pretty clean recordings this video. You wont get away with a clean sine obviously. You will need to enrich that sine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WabT1L-nN-E

Some amplitude modulation (e.g. LFO to almost audio audiorate) will do the quavering. Squarish shapes as modulators.
At 1:40 in that video, I heard a Chewbacca whale! :o
I'm involved with photography & audio. For more info, take a look at my site:
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Forgotten
KVRian
1107 posts since 15 Apr, 2019 from Nowhere

Re: Need healp Recreating the sound of a whale

Post Wed Jul 10, 2019 12:24 pm

McLilith wrote:
Wed Jul 10, 2019 12:19 pm
Kwurqx wrote:
Sun Jun 30, 2019 1:34 pm
Addendum...

Some pretty clean recordings this video. You wont get away with a clean sine obviously. You will need to enrich that sine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WabT1L-nN-E

Some amplitude modulation (e.g. LFO to almost audio audiorate) will do the quavering. Squarish shapes as modulators.
At 1:40 in that video, I heard a Chewbacca whale! :o
Nah, that's just a fluke...

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McLilith
KVRAF
1796 posts since 7 Jul, 2003 from Huntington, WV

Re: Need healp Recreating the sound of a whale

Post Wed Jul 10, 2019 12:31 pm

Forgotten wrote:
Wed Jul 10, 2019 12:24 pm
McLilith wrote:
Wed Jul 10, 2019 12:19 pm
Kwurqx wrote:
Sun Jun 30, 2019 1:34 pm
Addendum...

Some pretty clean recordings this video. You wont get away with a clean sine obviously. You will need to enrich that sine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WabT1L-nN-E

Some amplitude modulation (e.g. LFO to almost audio audiorate) will do the quavering. Squarish shapes as modulators.
At 1:40 in that video, I heard a Chewbacca whale! :o
Nah, that's just a fluke...
:lol:
I'm involved with photography & audio. For more info, take a look at my site:
GlenVision.com

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vurt
addled muppet weed
46992 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass

Re: Need healp Recreating the sound of a whale

Post Wed Jul 10, 2019 12:31 pm

McLilith wrote:
Wed Jul 10, 2019 12:19 pm
Kwurqx wrote:
Sun Jun 30, 2019 1:34 pm
Addendum...

Some pretty clean recordings this video. You wont get away with a clean sine obviously. You will need to enrich that sine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WabT1L-nN-E

Some amplitude modulation (e.g. LFO to almost audio audiorate) will do the quavering. Squarish shapes as modulators.
At 1:40 in that video, I heard a Chewbacca whale! :o
its a wookie in a submarine.
excellent mechanics so they get employed in such fields quite easily.

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Mathematics
KVRian
534 posts since 10 Sep, 2015 from You haven't unlocked this character yet

Re: Need healp Recreating the sound of a whale

Post Thu Jul 11, 2019 9:49 pm

Start with a Cello patch in Massive and use envelopes and distortion to get the grit on the tail end. I'd like to offer more help but I'm looking for something/someone.
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