Yamaha CS-80 vst

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Stefken
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1469 posts since 9 Nov, 2016

Post Sun Jul 21, 2019 10:38 am

I'm afraid I've got bad news for you. :cry: :D

Elektronisch
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3298 posts since 3 Feb, 2010

Re: Yamaha CS-80 vst

Post Sun Jul 21, 2019 10:46 am

Stefken wrote:
Sun Jul 21, 2019 5:55 am
Of course knowing how to play is relative.
It is not relevant to music production unless you mean by if player knows how to play, he knows how scales and progression work. But unfortunetly for that you dont need to be a player. You can just as easely write music, melodies just by that.

Also dont forget team-work. At labels (at least im working with) its quite common to share between producers music in progress and ask for feedback about melodies and how they can be improved to be accessible to wider variety of people. Doing that you also improve your skill.

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McLilith
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1888 posts since 7 Jul, 2003 from Huntington, WV

Re: Yamaha CS-80 vst

Post Sun Jul 21, 2019 11:23 am

Stefken wrote:
Sun Jul 21, 2019 10:38 am
I'm afraid I've got bad news for you. :cry: :D
Well, I can at least I can properly claim to be a film composer! :D


{He says, while randomly plotting notes in the piano roll of his DAW with a mouse, while occasionally glancing at a movie playing on TV.}
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Stefken
KVRian
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Re: Yamaha CS-80 vst

Post Sun Jul 21, 2019 12:41 pm

:D

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BONES
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8535 posts since 14 Jun, 2001 from Somewhere else, on principle

Re: Yamaha CS-80 vst

Post Sun Jul 21, 2019 6:09 pm

Elektronisch wrote:
Sun Jul 21, 2019 3:31 am
So according to you he lied in his masterclass. And ofcourse you are 100% sure of that its a fact because?
Well, I'd certainly trust Wikipedia over some commercial venture designed to get people to part with their money. Of course, I have no idea what he said but if you were to ask me if I could play, I'd say "no" because on the continuum of keyboard playing ability I'd rank below any 10 year old kid who has had a few piano lessons. That doesn't mean I can't bash out a bassline with bad timing or hold a chord for four bars. So I imagine it was a bit of modesty or maybe an off-hand remark designed to make the point that you don't need to be a concert pianist to make a hit song (assuming he's has had one, of course). i.e. When he said he couldn't play, he most likely meant he had no formal training.

You have to remember the context of the discussion, which was that unless you were a keyboard player, you would have no use for a preset that included any velocity modulation.
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KVRist
318 posts since 3 Oct, 2009

Re: Yamaha CS-80 vst

Post Sun Jul 21, 2019 7:10 pm

Stefken wrote:
Sat Jul 20, 2019 2:22 am
BONES wrote:
Thu Jul 18, 2019 9:57 pm
A producer who can't play is going to produce shit
BONES wrote:
Fri Jul 19, 2019 5:09 pm
And, for the record, I don't have any keyboard playing skills.
BONES, burying himself....again.

You can imagine my surprise

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BONES
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8535 posts since 14 Jun, 2001 from Somewhere else, on principle

Re: Yamaha CS-80 vst

Post Sun Jul 21, 2019 7:34 pm

How so? Those two statements are perfectly congruent. I can play a keyboard but not with any skill.
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glokraw
KVRAF
6950 posts since 6 Oct, 2004

Re: Yamaha CS-80 vst

Post Sun Jul 21, 2019 9:01 pm

If the worlds motivated and hard working people only did
what they were best at, there would be lots of unfinished projects,
and lots of burnouts with chattering teeth in darkened rooms.

Concentrating at what you're good at makes sense, but there's
room, and often need, to branch out, fill in the gaps, fix things,
invade, explore, and conquer new territory, get the basics of
new technology, gleaning what applies to the job at hand.

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I'll be lucky to remember it on Thursday :roll: :cry: :roll:

Stefken
KVRian
1469 posts since 9 Nov, 2016

Re: Yamaha CS-80 vst

Post Mon Jul 22, 2019 4:15 am

BONES wrote:
Sun Jul 21, 2019 7:34 pm
I can play a keyboard but not with any skill.

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Elektronisch
KVRAF
3298 posts since 3 Feb, 2010

Re: Yamaha CS-80 vst

Post Mon Jul 22, 2019 6:23 am

BONES wrote:
Sun Jul 21, 2019 7:34 pm
How so? Those two statements are perfectly congruent. I can play a keyboard but not with any skill.
Well still producer who cant play produces shit, so meaning playing a keyboard without any skill is not far from producer who cant play that produces shit :lol:

Still that is one of the most absurd statements ive heard in a while :lol:

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BONES
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8535 posts since 14 Jun, 2001 from Somewhere else, on principle

Re: Yamaha CS-80 vst

Post Mon Jul 22, 2019 4:03 pm

Only because you choose to interpret it as such. I NEVER play anything into my sequencer by hand. NEVER. I may occasionally come up with an idea while playing the keys but I will always put that idea into my sequencer with a mouse. Therefore, I don't need to be able to play more than what I need for live performance, which is basically single held notes or, occasionally, simple melodic phrases. A few weeks rehearsal before a show is all it takes to be able to do that reliably enough. OTOH, if you couldn't play a keyboard at all, you wouldn't be able to program notes in a piano roll, either, because at the most basic level both require the same knowledge - black keys, white keys, octaves. If you have that knowledge in one area, you can use it in the other.

Again, you have to keep it all in context. It was never an absolute statement, it was in response to a specific comment - if you can't play keyboards, you don't need an MPE controller. From my perspective, as someone who can't really play but gets a great deal of use/pleasure/satisfaction from a Roli Seaboard, anyone who can't find some value in a controller like a Seaboard would have to be someone whose understanding was so lacking that they wouldn't be able to put notes into a piano roll either.
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gminorcoles
KVRer
22 posts since 22 Feb, 2019

Re: Yamaha CS-80 vst

Post Mon Jul 22, 2019 11:10 pm

Just learn to play the instrument for god sakes. I used to just use the mouse but piano lessons saved my life

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Tj Shredder
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2963 posts since 6 Jan, 2017 from Outer Space

Re: Yamaha CS-80 vst

Post Tue Jul 23, 2019 9:34 pm

No matter what skill level, playing adds expression. Constructing can do that as well, but is so much slower and often just doesn‘t happen for that reason. If you add expression by playing, you will develop skills over time, even if you don‘t practice a lot.
BONES claiming that he has no skills, is only in comparison with some other highly trained musicians. If you listen to his music, you know he got skills...

Elektronisch
KVRAF
3298 posts since 3 Feb, 2010

Re: Yamaha CS-80 vst

Post Tue Jul 23, 2019 9:51 pm

Again playing skills has nothing to do with producing skills. But you probably cannot inprint that to the old stubborn guys.

Elektronisch
KVRAF
3298 posts since 3 Feb, 2010

Re: Yamaha CS-80 vst

Post Tue Jul 23, 2019 9:53 pm

Tj Shredder wrote:
Tue Jul 23, 2019 9:34 pm
If you listen to his music, you know he got skills...
I dont hear playing skills in there at all, 0. There is some producing skill.

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