Best 1176 and La-2A plugins for dance?

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reggie1979
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1110 posts since 26 Nov, 2018

Post Fri Jul 19, 2019 3:23 pm

Liero wrote:
Fri Jul 19, 2019 11:05 am
ramseysounds wrote:
Fri Jul 19, 2019 10:17 am
What do you mean ‘for dance’?
An LA-2A and 1176 is just that :?:
This is one of the oldest, most common misconceptions with beginners and it rears its head around here all the time... I don't really know where it's coming from.

"What's the best hammer for nails?"
Hammers are indeed different and for good reason. Compressors are indeed different and for good reason.

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Halonmusic
KVRAF
2582 posts since 13 Nov, 2015 from Norway

Re: Best 1176 and La-2A plugins for dance?

Post Sat Jul 20, 2019 6:56 am

Don't be a Sheep. :borg: | Opinions matters :evil:

acousticglue
KVRian
732 posts since 27 May, 2008

Re: Best 1176 and La-2A plugins for dance?

Post Sun Jul 21, 2019 4:16 am

IKMultimedia white compressor LA2A

simon.a.billington
KVRAF
1650 posts since 12 Nov, 2014

Re: Best 1176 and La-2A plugins for dance?

Post Sun Jul 21, 2019 4:39 am

There’s lots of good emulations out there at the end of the day an 1176 is an 1176, an LA-2A is an LA-2A. The genre really has nothing to do with it, not in this instance. IK, Slate, Waves, take your pick.

Where the genre fits in is just what on and how you use these compressors. For dance I’d be looking at other solutions too, like modern VCAs for example. Red 3, dbx 160/165, mpressor, BSS DPR-402, etc. Compressors like this tend to compliment electronic music quite a lot.

perpetual3
KVRian
957 posts since 28 Sep, 2012

Re: Best 1176 and La-2A plugins for dance?

Post Mon Jul 22, 2019 5:03 am

Thanks everyone.

I’ll take my time demoing all the plugins mentioned here. Really appreciate the feedback.

yehboy1
KVRist
459 posts since 13 Mar, 2017

Re: Best 1176 and La-2A plugins for dance?

Post Mon Jul 22, 2019 1:21 pm

I'm a little confused about compression and electronic music. If I watch a video on EDM production, for example, they will use lots of compression. But then I read everywhere that most electronic sounds (drum samples, etc) are already compressed and so don't need it.

Which is it?

EDIT: just did some googling and saw this GS thread that talks alot about why compression is used in electronic music.

https://www.gearslutz.com/board/electro ... e-edm.html

perpetual3
KVRian
957 posts since 28 Sep, 2012

Re: Best 1176 and La-2A plugins for dance?

Post Mon Jul 22, 2019 3:08 pm

yehboy1 wrote:
Mon Jul 22, 2019 1:21 pm
I'm a little confused about compression and electronic music. If I watch a video on EDM production, for example, they will use lots of compression. But then I read everywhere that most electronic sounds (drum samples, etc) are already compressed and so don't need it.

Which is it?

EDIT: just did some googling and saw this GS thread that talks alot about why compression is used in electronic music.

https://www.gearslutz.com/board/electro ... e-edm.html
That’s a good thread. I would personally listen to what Shawn Hatfield has to say about it.

perpetual3
KVRian
957 posts since 28 Sep, 2012

Re: Best 1176 and La-2A plugins for dance?

Post Tue Jul 23, 2019 6:08 am

FYI - Ended up with the BRA VLA-FET.

pabloaldunate
KVRist
125 posts since 7 Oct, 2012

Re: Best 1176 and La-2A plugins for dance?

Post Tue Jul 23, 2019 7:11 am

Please don't carry compressors when you're going for a dance.

db3
KVRAF
2168 posts since 22 Aug, 2012

Re: Best 1176 and La-2A plugins for dance?

Post Wed Jul 24, 2019 12:52 am

perpetual3 wrote:
Tue Jul 23, 2019 6:08 am
FYI - Ended up with the BRA VLA-FET.
Solid choice 8)

peterjsd
KVRer
16 posts since 8 Dec, 2013

Re: Best 1176 and La-2A plugins for dance?

Post Wed Jul 24, 2019 7:16 am

Neither of those compressors are typically used for dance - they are famous for big studio rock / pop and the originals are (generally) unaffordable for dance producers)

Hardware compressors used in hardware dance production would be mainly of the cheap VCA variety (dbx, alesis, etc)

in digital era lots of stock plugins, any given flavour of vst compression incl UAD / waves / whatever will be used.

Bear in mind that compressors are not that integral to the sound of dance / electronic production. In many cases what you are trying to achieve is punch, volume, weight, tone and the best route is actually distortion, limiting, layering, expansion (transient shaping) or EQ rather than compression... and if it is compression, multibanding is often the way to "make it bigger"

A compressor is a program dependent gain controller which (generally) reduces dynamic range. when you control the amplitude envelope of the program (ie using the envelopes in your synth / sampler) and the volume of the program is very predictable to start with (ie perfectly repeating synth / sampler envelopes) then the need for a compressor is kinda questionable.

Also vintage / emulation compressors, due to their linear threshold across frequency spectrum, will compress bass more than highs, and effectively shift energy away from bass

So there are some thoughts. I think BRA seem to be king of the emulations at the moment with uad so you've made a good choice for an accurate emulation. I use trackcomp as I'm trying to simplify the mixing toolkit - go deeper and think less

perpetual3
KVRian
957 posts since 28 Sep, 2012

Re: Best 1176 and La-2A plugins for dance?

Post Wed Jul 24, 2019 7:52 am

peterjsd wrote:
Wed Jul 24, 2019 7:16 am
Neither of those compressors are typically used for dance - they are famous for big studio rock / pop and the originals are (generally) unaffordable for dance producers)

Hardware compressors used in hardware dance production would be mainly of the cheap VCA variety (dbx, alesis, etc)

in digital era lots of stock plugins, any given flavour of vst compression incl UAD / waves / whatever will be used.

Bear in mind that compressors are not that integral to the sound of dance / electronic production. In many cases what you are trying to achieve is punch, volume, weight, tone and the best route is actually distortion, limiting, layering, expansion (transient shaping) or EQ rather than compression... and if it is compression, multibanding is often the way to "make it bigger"

A compressor is a program dependent gain controller which (generally) reduces dynamic range. when you control the amplitude envelope of the program (ie using the envelopes in your synth / sampler) and the volume of the program is very predictable to start with (ie perfectly repeating synth / sampler envelopes) then the need for a compressor is kinda questionable.

Also vintage / emulation compressors, due to their linear threshold across frequency spectrum, will compress bass more than highs, and effectively shift energy away from bass

So there are some thoughts. I think BRA seem to be king of the emulations at the moment with uad so you've made a good choice for an accurate emulation. I use trackcomp as I'm trying to simplify the mixing toolkit - go deeper and think less
You make many good points. In my case, I am also big fan of the hyper compressed Swedish techno sound exemplified by Cari Lekebusch/ Mr. James Barth, Adam Breyer/Conceiled Project. I like that pumping sound. At the same time, I’m trying to avoid a certain “muffled” tendency I sometimes hear.

As far as transient designer, I’m looking at Elysia nvelope.

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dangayle
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995 posts since 30 Mar, 2014

Re: Best 1176 and La-2A plugins for dance?

Post Wed Jul 24, 2019 11:01 am

peterjsd wrote:
Wed Jul 24, 2019 7:16 am
Neither of those compressors are typically used for dance - they are famous for big studio rock / pop and the originals are (generally) unaffordable for dance producers)

Hardware compressors used in hardware dance production would be mainly of the cheap VCA variety (dbx, alesis, etc)

in digital era lots of stock plugins, any given flavour of vst compression incl UAD / waves / whatever will be used.

Bear in mind that compressors are not that integral to the sound of dance / electronic production. In many cases what you are trying to achieve is punch, volume, weight, tone and the best route is actually distortion, limiting, layering, expansion (transient shaping) or EQ rather than compression... and if it is compression, multibanding is often the way to "make it bigger"

A compressor is a program dependent gain controller which (generally) reduces dynamic range. when you control the amplitude envelope of the program (ie using the envelopes in your synth / sampler) and the volume of the program is very predictable to start with (ie perfectly repeating synth / sampler envelopes) then the need for a compressor is kinda questionable.

Also vintage / emulation compressors, due to their linear threshold across frequency spectrum, will compress bass more than highs, and effectively shift energy away from bass

So there are some thoughts. I think BRA seem to be king of the emulations at the moment with uad so you've made a good choice for an accurate emulation. I use trackcomp as I'm trying to simplify the mixing toolkit - go deeper and think less
This is a great comment. Some of the strengths of the vintage hardware were in how they managed to deal with the audio signals being fed them, like John Bonham's thundering drums or Steven Tyler's banshee screams or a violinist's pizzicato. Signals that bounce up and down in volume, that attack faster or slower, etc.

When I lay down 16th note hi hats for dance music, I don't need to level the volume. I need character and I need bounce. I need my kick and sub to blend together seamlessly.

Daimonicon
KVRist
359 posts since 30 Aug, 2012 from Sweden

Re: Best 1176 and La-2A plugins for dance?

Post Wed Jul 24, 2019 11:18 am

perpetual3 wrote:
Thu Jul 18, 2019 10:51 am
Like the title says - best 1176 and La-2A for dance?

Or does anyone have a better recommendation?

Looking ultimate punch and weight.
Um the one's you like the best? Or any different kind of compressor?

perpetual3
KVRian
957 posts since 28 Sep, 2012

Re: Best 1176 and La-2A plugins for dance?

Post Wed Jul 24, 2019 2:17 pm

Daimonicon wrote:
Wed Jul 24, 2019 11:18 am
perpetual3 wrote:
Thu Jul 18, 2019 10:51 am
Like the title says - best 1176 and La-2A for dance?

Or does anyone have a better recommendation?

Looking ultimate punch and weight.
Um the one's you like the best? Or any different kind of compressor?
I think at this point any kind. Thanks!

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