Sample Modeling vs Audio Modeling strings?
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 6428 posts since 17 Dec, 2009
- KVRist
- 232 posts since 11 Oct, 2012
Afaik Samplemodeling products are just traditional sample-based Kontakt instruments, so if you don't have an MPE controller or can't play well, maybe get those.
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- KVRist
- 278 posts since 1 Feb, 2014
Samplemodeling use too some modeling. It is definitely not traditional sample-based.
Samplemodeling strings sounds better (for me) and even it have sections. I don't have them, but what I was read about it, you can not control how many players are play in unisono (only three options, small, mid and big size).
Audiomodeling solo strings sounds decent. If I know, new update is coming and there is plan for ensemble strings. Unfortunately solo strings not sounds so good as Samplemodeling, when they play as ensemble. They are good as solo, and even as solo not sounds allways good. But I like the technology and I think it have future.
Btw. no need MPE. It can sounds good with traditional midi kayboard with modwheel and you can allways draw other controls in DAW. For example, this is imported from sibelius in to reaper and I draw all expression, presure and vibrato control with mouse:
https://soundcloud.com/oberheim8000/mau ... ng-strings
Samplemodeling strings sounds better (for me) and even it have sections. I don't have them, but what I was read about it, you can not control how many players are play in unisono (only three options, small, mid and big size).
Audiomodeling solo strings sounds decent. If I know, new update is coming and there is plan for ensemble strings. Unfortunately solo strings not sounds so good as Samplemodeling, when they play as ensemble. They are good as solo, and even as solo not sounds allways good. But I like the technology and I think it have future.
Btw. no need MPE. It can sounds good with traditional midi kayboard with modwheel and you can allways draw other controls in DAW. For example, this is imported from sibelius in to reaper and I draw all expression, presure and vibrato control with mouse:
https://soundcloud.com/oberheim8000/mau ... ng-strings
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- KVRAF
- 2212 posts since 28 Jul, 2003
What do your ears tell you?Ploki wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2019 11:58 am https://www.samplemodeling.com/en/products_strings.php
https://audiomodeling.com/solo-strings/ ... gs-bundle/
these two one friends now foes vendors have very much competing tech, anyone compared the two?
My main tools: Kontakt, Omnisphere, Samplemodeling + Audio Modeling. Akai VIP = godsend. Tari's libraries also rock.
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- KVRAF
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- 6428 posts since 17 Dec, 2009
I have MPE, but i was under the impression that both are part samples part models.metaside wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2019 1:08 pm Afaik Samplemodeling products are just traditional sample-based Kontakt instruments, so if you don't have an MPE controller or can't play well, maybe get those. SWAM stuff is physical modeling (or something close) and awesome to play with MPE, but has similar limitations in terms of polyphony as compared to real instruments, so if you have an MPE controller and want something behaving close to a real instrument, get those.
pitch bending in kontakt is a pain in the ass and if it's not programmed like that out of the box it doesn't work. (octave pitches sound like garbage when samples are stretched)
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- addled muppet weed
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- KVRist
- 232 posts since 11 Oct, 2012
The modelled instruments I bought are like 6MB each, so I think that stuff is not really sample-based in a traditional sense.
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Echoes in the Attic Echoes in the Attic https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=180417
- KVRAF
- 11016 posts since 12 May, 2008
Sample modeling stuff is great with mpe controllers too as there is lots of expression parameters.
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Echoes in the Attic Echoes in the Attic https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=180417
- KVRAF
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- KVRAF
- 4013 posts since 2 Jul, 2005
I would guess they are comparable in quality. I own all the swam stuff and everything SM made for Kontakt before the strings. They use similar approaches to controlling/ programming/ performing.
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- KVRAF
- 2212 posts since 28 Jul, 2003
The Audio Modeling (SWAM) Strings are entirely physically modeled. They use NO sampling whatsoever. The Winds and Saxes use a hybrid approach, but NOT the Strings, which are powered by a different engine.metaside wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2019 7:55 pmThe SWAM instruments I bought are like 6MB each, so I think that stuff is not really sample-based in a traditional sense. But no idea really, for me it only matters that the SWAM instruments are great to play with MPE controllers. Tested it with Seaboard and Linnstrument and it's a lot of fun.
"The Solo Woodwinds family powered by SWAM-W Engine."
"The most realistic and expressive solo string instruments on the market, powered by SWAM-S Engine."
The Samplemodeling Strings (as well as all their Kontakt-based instruments) use a HYBRID sampling/modelling approach.
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- KVRAF
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- 6428 posts since 17 Dec, 2009
If it's not scripted well in the instrument, when you assign it yourself, it stretches samples and sounds... well, like stretched samples.Echoes in the Attic wrote: ↑Sun Sep 15, 2019 5:39 pmpitch bend works fine in kontakt with mpe controllers. What do you meaan?
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Echoes in the Attic Echoes in the Attic https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=180417
- KVRAF
- 11016 posts since 12 May, 2008
Well yeah Kontakt is a sampler so pitch bend will always repitch samples. Works fine for vibrato and small bends like most instruments would do like a few semi-tones. But sure, it's not good for octave or multi-octave bends like a trombone or slide guitar.Ploki wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 9:48 amIf it's not scripted well in the instrument, when you assign it yourself, it stretches samples and sounds... well, like stretched samples.Echoes in the Attic wrote: ↑Sun Sep 15, 2019 5:39 pmpitch bend works fine in kontakt with mpe controllers. What do you meaan?