Bad boi Fender Inc

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1191 posts since 24 Mar, 2015 from Toronto, Canada

Post Wed Oct 09, 2019 4:16 am

Bombadil wrote: ↑
Wed Oct 09, 2019 4:11 am
Never tried them, but aren't Yammie Pacificas decent Fender copies?
I never tried one I liked that much. The materials are poor quality. (Yeah,.I am a snob and my fingers are spoiled).
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Re: Bad boi Fender Inc

Post Wed Oct 09, 2019 6:23 am

is the bad boi a new model?

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KVRAF
22142 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany

Re: Bad boi Fender Inc

Post Wed Oct 09, 2019 6:39 am

It's a famous Ragga artist. Bad Bway Fendah.

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KVRist
282 posts since 22 Aug, 2019

Re: Bad boi Fender Inc

Post Wed Oct 09, 2019 7:02 am

Fender guitars are overpriced. There are better alternatives for the same price or less. Especially Japanese products.

Their Made in the US vs Made in Mexico strategy is also dubious.

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KVRian
1191 posts since 24 Mar, 2015 from Toronto, Canada

Re: Bad boi Fender Inc

Post Wed Oct 09, 2019 9:35 am

vurt wrote: ↑
Wed Oct 09, 2019 6:23 am
is the bad boi a new model?
hmm.. thats actually a really interesting idea. i might change my artist name to "Bad Boi Fender". It's catchy.
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Re: Bad boi Fender Inc

Post Wed Oct 09, 2019 10:05 am

IIRC I did get a good intro price from Bax when I ordered a new Fender model half a year ago (I changed my mind in the end, and bought a Cordoba flamenco acoustic instead of that Fender Acoustasonic Tele).

I had noticed the lovely new Fender pedals line was rather uniformly priced, no deals being offered (but I put it down to their recent arrival on the market).

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Re: Bad boi Fender Inc

Post Wed Oct 09, 2019 10:58 am

e-crooner wrote: ↑
Wed Oct 09, 2019 7:02 am


Their Made in the US vs Made in Mexico strategy is also dubious.
you can say that again
e-crooner wrote: ↑
Wed Oct 09, 2019 7:02 am


Their Made in the US vs Made in Mexico strategy is also dubious.
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KVRian
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Re: Bad boi Fender Inc

Post Wed Oct 09, 2019 1:43 pm

Hink wrote: ↑
Wed Oct 09, 2019 10:58 am
e-crooner wrote: ↑
Wed Oct 09, 2019 7:02 am


Their Made in the US vs Made in Mexico strategy is also dubious.
you can say that again
e-crooner wrote: ↑
Wed Oct 09, 2019 7:02 am


Their Made in the US vs Made in Mexico strategy is also dubious.
:dog: :hihi:
What do you mean?
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Re: Bad boi Fender Inc

Post Wed Oct 09, 2019 4:00 pm

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Re: Bad boi Fender Inc

Post Wed Oct 09, 2019 4:05 pm

e-crooner wrote: ↑
Wed Oct 09, 2019 7:02 am
Their Made in the US vs Made in Mexico strategy is also dubious.
Well yeah, playing on America's racism. Too bad that many of the same people work on both sides of the river! Then again, people seem to agree that the hardware on the USA models is of superior quality, but that's a different matter altogether.
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KVRian
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Re: Bad boi Fender Inc

Post Wed Oct 09, 2019 4:52 pm

Jafo wrote: ↑
Wed Oct 09, 2019 4:05 pm
e-crooner wrote: ↑
Wed Oct 09, 2019 7:02 am
Their Made in the US vs Made in Mexico strategy is also dubious.
Well yeah, playing on America's racism. Too bad that many of the same people work on both sides of the river! Then again, people seem to agree that the hardware on the USA models is of superior quality, but that's a different matter altogether.
really? I find it hard to believe that Fender would not secure a regular transport trunk that delivers same hardware to Mexico factory and vice versa. I always thought the US made ones are more expensive because of the labor.
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Re: Bad boi Fender Inc

Post Wed Oct 09, 2019 5:11 pm

Can we talk about Fender making their guitars in factories in Japan? What about China? Indonesia?

I might be wrong, but I do believe you can buy bona fide Fender Stratocasters right now today made in all of those 3 countries. I might be wrong.

Why would they do that? Could it have something to do with 'playing the field'? A Japanese Fender would be the most expensive of all, then the Chinese, then the Indonesian. So where does America and Mexico fit in to all of that again?

The provenance of guitar manufacture is purposely shadey. And doubly so when it comes to your Fenders or your Gibsons.

I suppose a custom shop signature would be made in USA and have the price tag to match. Then at the other end of the scale your Bullets would be made in Indonesia. A 3000 bucks guitar compared to a 100 bucks guitar. And then all the shades in between with China and Japan. Who knows, maybe they even have a factory in Korea knocking a few out as well. It's not like anyone knows and if they do they certainly aren't saying.

I had a Japanese 'Fender' Squier that was better (and cheaper) than what Fender were knocking out from the USA. While back now, but it all goes around in circles.

My 90's Chinese Squier is of comparable quality.

I bought a few Aria Pro II Stratocasters. Superb guitars. About a hundred bucks each. Some are better than others. All are different. All are made in different countries in fact (so it seems according to their serial numbers and the information I have for the factories in the database).

One guitar cuts a corner this way, another in another fashion. None are perfect. Different CNC'ing for body shapes and sizes. Different weights due to different woods. Different pups even though they are the very same model! Different set ups (some playable, some not). I bet they never made the same guitar twice!

So it will probably be with Fender. As long as it has that decal on the headstock then the boomers will buy in to it and so will the millenials trying to emulate them. Us gen-x'ers, well... :lol:

I have no urge at all to own a real Fender. My 'Fender' Squier is as real as it gets to me. I like the weight, the shape, the feel, the sound, the balance of a guitar. Not what's on the headstock. But I know it's important to some. And I wouldn't criticise that. It's just not important to me.

I do wonder though who the hell is buying all these Fender guitars. It's not like anyone plays anymore and it's not like anyone could afford a Fender. But that's probably just the circles I (don't) move in. Are they over-charging because sales are down and they are struggling, or are they over-charging because they are coining it in and being greedy? No idea.

Anyway, it's not just USA vs. Mexico. China and Indonesia are definitely making guitars for Fender right now (last time I looked anyway) and probably Japan as well.

Happy to be corrected and told this is not the case. I looked in to guitar provenance (both historical and modern) and there is very very little information out there, but what there is, is quite surprising. Companies licensing to competing brands who run factories in different countries who then 'ghost build' and rebadge and re-import or export out again. Something like that anyway. No one really knows.

Whatever. I'd also be interested to know what the common arguments are about USA v. Mexico when it comes to Fender manufacturing. Especially as a few of you seem to have 'ears to the ground' as well. I'm all ears too.

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KVRAF
1916 posts since 20 Dec, 2002 from The Benighted States of Trumpistan

Re: Bad boi Fender Inc

Post Wed Oct 09, 2019 5:14 pm

telecode wrote: ↑
Wed Oct 09, 2019 4:52 pm
Jafo wrote: ↑
Wed Oct 09, 2019 4:05 pm
e-crooner wrote: ↑
Wed Oct 09, 2019 7:02 am
Their Made in the US vs Made in Mexico strategy is also dubious.
Well yeah, playing on America's racism. Too bad that many of the same people work on both sides of the river! Then again, people seem to agree that the hardware on the USA models is of superior quality, but that's a different matter altogether.
really? I find it hard to believe that Fender would not secure a regular transport trunk that delivers same hardware to Mexico factory and vice versa. I always thought the US made ones are more expensive because of the labor.
Perhaps now (all bets are probably off), but the situation used to be that people crossed the border to work in both factories.
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KVRAF
1916 posts since 20 Dec, 2002 from The Benighted States of Trumpistan

Re: Bad boi Fender Inc

Post Wed Oct 09, 2019 5:16 pm

I'm looking into it; I may well be completely wrong.
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KVRAF
1916 posts since 20 Dec, 2002 from The Benighted States of Trumpistan

Re: Bad boi Fender Inc

Post Wed Oct 09, 2019 5:33 pm

I think I am wrong. Sorry, all.

Although as far as the Mexican/American thing goes, while working at Guitar Center in my misspent youth I heard quite a few customers dissing anything Mexican on "principle" even though the MIM guitars were perfectly fine, and clearly a better deal, although the pups and switches were different. Their "principle" was nothing principled; and like all "Made in America" nonsense, profoundly racist. (But I repeat myself.)
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