Diva 2 Wishlist (purely hypothetical, nothing in development)

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Elektronisch
KVRAF
3436 posts since 3 Feb, 2010

Post Thu Oct 10, 2019 12:33 am

machinesworking wrote:
Thu Oct 10, 2019 12:08 am
Urs wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2019 11:48 pm
user_id=116627]The alternative is adding "engines" or something like we have in Hive. I don't know how beneficial this would be for Diva.
My vote is for this. I love that Hive 2 overwrites 1. My least favorite thing about being on OS X is the constant slash and burn Apple does, so to me anyway it makes more sense to have to maybe possibly go in and tweak an old Diva 1 preset rather than having U-He recode Diva 1 for some OS update that breaks it etc. In the bigger picture this is much better than having to have multiple copies of the same plug in to preserve old songs etc.
x2 totaly agree. Engines would be enough i think and no need to design a new filter. But come to think of doesnt quality part already works as "engines" already?
As an example Draft mode filters arent zero delay feedback, but the sound isnt bad at all, its still great, it actually makes overal sound a bit brighter when its needed, only resonance isnt as pleasant as with higher quality modes :)

Maybe just to add on top:
1. a distortion unit
2. chorus like in colour copy?
3. Simplified unison detuning, because manualy detuning every voice is sometimes a bit tedious
4. White/pink noise to osc modulation
Last edited by Elektronisch on Thu Oct 10, 2019 3:42 am, edited 2 times in total.

sacer
KVRian
603 posts since 8 Jan, 2012 from frankfurt, Germany

Re: Diva 2 Wishlist (purely hypothetical, nothing in development)

Post Thu Oct 10, 2019 1:26 am

Diva is my faforit synth, I'v used it in most tracks and build a lot of presets. I realy like the analog sound and the ability to mix a moog with a roland, or a korg withj a oberheim.
I would like some more modules, maybe the repro-1 and -5 modules, the roland sh-101 filter, and maybe some other classic modules like arp2500/2600, oddissey, andromeda, sh-5, oscar and cs-80.
Maybe a bether Arp and a much bether modulation like hive and repro offer.
Maybe Pigments can give you also some inspiration to make the modulation more visible.
Soundwise Diva still rocks after 7 years and I hope Diva 2 will stay backward compatible like Hive 2 !!!

cnt
KVRist
301 posts since 9 Mar, 2001

Re: Diva 2 Wishlist (purely hypothetical, nothing in development)

Post Thu Oct 10, 2019 1:38 am

- More filter options, like the Wasp filter. I love my Doepfer Wasp module..
- A really good wavefolder would be nice to have.
- High quality overdrive/distortion fx.
- FG and Shape seq from Hive :)
- Foremost I would like to be able to do more simple FM and audiorate things.
/ C'n'T
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Elektronisch
KVRAF
3436 posts since 3 Feb, 2010

Re: Diva 2 Wishlist (purely hypothetical, nothing in development)

Post Thu Oct 10, 2019 3:39 am

cnt wrote:
Thu Oct 10, 2019 1:38 am
- More filter options, like the Wasp filter. I love my Doepfer Wasp module..
- A really good wavefolder would be nice to have.
- High quality overdrive/distortion fx.
- FG and Shape seq from Hive :)
- Foremost I would like to be able to do more simple FM and audiorate things.
I think adding FG and shape sequencers wouldnt make such a big gab between Diva and Hive :)

I thought already that Hive 1.x was a bit more the same as Diva minus the spirit of analogue :)

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Urs
u-he
23925 posts since 8 Aug, 2002 from Berlin

Re: Diva 2 Wishlist (purely hypothetical, nothing in development)

Post Thu Oct 10, 2019 6:51 am

Elektronisch wrote:
Thu Oct 10, 2019 3:39 am
spirit of analogue
Hive is more the spirit of modular, disguised as a candy bar.

Elektronisch
KVRAF
3436 posts since 3 Feb, 2010

Re: Diva 2 Wishlist (purely hypothetical, nothing in development)

Post Thu Oct 10, 2019 7:03 am

Urs wrote:
Thu Oct 10, 2019 6:51 am
Elektronisch wrote:
Thu Oct 10, 2019 3:39 am
spirit of analogue
Hive is more the spirit of modular, disguised as a candy bar.
Isnt the same with Diva then ? you can change the modules :D

Funkybot's Evil Twin
KVRAF
6679 posts since 16 Aug, 2006

Re: Diva 2 Wishlist (purely hypothetical, nothing in development)

Post Thu Oct 10, 2019 7:04 am

Urs wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2019 11:48 pm
The dilemma with Diva is, we would love to upgrade her with the filter technology we use in Repro (faster and therefore could get higher cutoff etc). But that will probably have to be a V2. And a Diva V2 is a project very similar to Zebra3. The alternative is adding "engines" or something like we have in Hive. I don't know how beneficial this would be for Diva.
Totally get the challenge. Faster (assuming that means CPU efficient) filters with higher cutoff and better FM would lead many to question, "why is the old engine even there?" That would make no sense if Diva2 were a separate plugin. But, if v2 were going to be a drop-in replacement for v1 like Hive, then you almost have to create engines as not to impact recall of existing projects.

If I had a vote: I'd say take the extra time after everything else on the roadmap is caught up, and go for a new, separate plugin, Diva2. Even if that meant 2022. But if you guys said, "hey, we can put something together way faster (say early 2021) with new filter tech in a new engine and just keep the same .dll" then I certainly wouldn't begrudge you for that either.

tasmaniandevil
KVRian
726 posts since 22 Mar, 2005 from Germany

Re: Diva 2 Wishlist (purely hypothetical, nothing in development)

Post Thu Oct 10, 2019 7:04 am

Urs wrote:
Thu Oct 10, 2019 6:51 am
the spirit of modular, disguised as a candy bar
We should use this as Hive's slogan on the website.

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Urs
u-he
23925 posts since 8 Aug, 2002 from Berlin

Re: Diva 2 Wishlist (purely hypothetical, nothing in development)

Post Thu Oct 10, 2019 7:07 am

tasmaniandevil wrote:
Thu Oct 10, 2019 7:04 am
Urs wrote:
Thu Oct 10, 2019 6:51 am
the spirit of modular, disguised as a candy bar
We should use this as Hive's slogan on the website.
hehehe

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Urs
u-he
23925 posts since 8 Aug, 2002 from Berlin

Re: Diva 2 Wishlist (purely hypothetical, nothing in development)

Post Thu Oct 10, 2019 7:16 am

Funkybot's Evil Twin wrote:
Thu Oct 10, 2019 7:04 am
If I had a vote: I'd say take the extra time after everything else on the roadmap is caught up, and go for a new, separate plugin, Diva2. Even if that meant 2022. But if you guys said, "hey, we can put something together way faster (say early 2021) with new filter tech in a new engine and just keep the same .dll" then I certainly wouldn't begrudge you for that either.
I think the 2022 approach is my favourite.

As for the tech in Repro vs. Diva, the mathematical result can never be the same. A version of Diva with Repro's filter maths would sound different. I haven't had the time to really compare things, and I'm sure it would take half a year or more. It would be like starting from scratch.

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