Sq8l by buchty

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KVRian
958 posts since 9 Feb, 2013 from dallas tx

Post Fri Dec 06, 2013 10:36 am

I love using this old synth when I run through its presets I am reminded of a past era and if you want to use it in more modern contexts run it through diversion FX or other symth FX like those from tone 2 and I think synthmaster and z3ta also have synth FX that would add to the idea. daisy chain all of those together someone.

codec_spurt
KVRAF
3829 posts since 21 Sep, 2005

Post Fri Dec 06, 2013 1:46 pm

I've followed the development of this synth pretty closely since its inception.

Bit slow on take up, but when people realised what they were dealing with. Deluge.


The guy that coded it - Siegfried Kullmann - has gone underground. He's the only person to do a bigger 'Greta Garbo' then Jorgen of XT fame. No one knows if he is still alive. All calls gone out to him or those that know him have been met with deaf ears from what I can tell. I have followed the story more than most, but there is only so much time a man has.

There was a theory that Siggy (was that his nick at KVR?) got the major arsehole about no one donating a penny to his project. Fair enough. That would have upset me too. I don't know if it is true. The guy might have died in a car crash for all we know.

One thing is for sure. This project is dead dead dead. And it was probably the greatest emulation project ever in the history of VST. Synth 1 by Ichiro Toda and the Clavia Nord being the other one.


I've given up trying to get information on this. I mailed Rainer Buchty but got no reply.

I am genuinely dumbfounded by this as the amount of effort and time and love these two put into the project is genuinely staggering. For them both to just abandon things like this seems dumb to an outsider. Maybe there is more that is going on. Such an amazing piece of software.

I would be happy to pay good money for a new version of this - say a 100 quid. Yup. And I'd also be happy to donate another 50 quid for my use of SQ8L over the years.

But no one knows anything. It has gone past the point of enigma now and is just bordering on f**king rudeness. No one knows if Siggy is alive or dead, and we have been asking for a number of years now. Many people are happy just to let us ponder I guess. Oh well, that's the price you pay for not donating.

I'm a massive Ensoniq fan. And even my best Ensoniq keyboard can't replicate that sound of the curtis chip kicking in. The SQ8L is a true analog/digital hybrid (unless someone would like to correct me). See my preset 'Modwheely' from the soundset I put up for it.

http://www.kvraudio.com/product/sq8l_sq ... /downloads

It's there in one of the original banks I put up. But there are many more sounds there too.

This plug uses nothing on cpu, like Synth1 and it is both fat and full and bright and bubbly at the same time. The original synth was a work of genius. To put it into a few lines of code and provide it for free - priceless.

I wish Siggy well. Or whatever his name was. He didn't post very much, so I might have got his name wrong.

Here is the main SQ8L thread - http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... sc&start=0

It sums up all the hopes and desires. I can't believe that anyone could ever be so passive aggressive about all this. I can only imagine that something bad has happened to Siggy. I hope that's not the case. But every few months this thread comes up. Maybe someone else could mail Rainer Buchty and they might get more luck than me.

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EvilDragon
KVRAF
18807 posts since 7 Jan, 2009 from Croatia

Post Fri Dec 06, 2013 1:50 pm

Last time I heard from Siegfried was in Feb 2009. Yup, that's right.

codec_spurt
KVRAF
3829 posts since 21 Sep, 2005

Post Fri Dec 06, 2013 1:52 pm

EvilDragon wrote:Last time I heard from Siegfried was in Feb 2009. Yup, that's right.
I think it has been said more than once - we just want to know if Siggy is ok. He doesn't answer PMs so Rainer is our only other source and he doesn't answer mails.

I appreciate how busy either of them must be. But surely they understand the impact of this project they have started.

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Tronam
KVRAF
1651 posts since 15 Mar, 2002 from Seattle, WA - USA

Post Fri Dec 06, 2013 9:39 pm

This plugin is literally the only reason I power up my PC anymore. Perhaps I should send Siegfried some songs done entirely with instances of SQ8L to see if I can elicit a response of some kind. :hihi:

knowix
KVRist
250 posts since 12 Nov, 2011

Post Fri Dec 06, 2013 11:17 pm

So things don't sound at all hopeful then.

I also just read that Kickstarter software projects can only be run by the developer.

It sounds to me like some missteps were made in terms of what was available in the SQ8L and the proposed SQ8X. People aren't going to donate to a project they intend to buy anyway. And the additional features proposed for the SQ8X project were perhaps not sizeable enough to draw the enthusiasm of the casual user.

I was listening to the SQ8L one synth challenge again. Is there any OSC that sounds more genuinely retro than it?
https://sites.google.com/site/kvrosc/osc-19-sq8l

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Tronam
KVRAF
1651 posts since 15 Mar, 2002 from Seattle, WA - USA

Post Fri Dec 06, 2013 11:45 pm

knowix wrote:So things don't sound at all hopeful then.

I also just read that Kickstarter software projects can only be run by the developer.

It sounds to me like some missteps were made in terms of what was available in the SQ8L and the proposed SQ8X. People aren't going to donate to a project they intend to buy anyway. And the additional features proposed for the SQ8X project were perhaps not sizeable enough to draw the enthusiasm of the casual user.

I was listening to the SQ8L one synth challenge again. Is there any OSC that sounds more genuinely retro than it?
https://sites.google.com/site/kvrosc/osc-19-sq8l
It is still the most impressively flawless retro 80s synth emulation I've ever heard (although TAL-U-NO-LX comes close). Every time I load it up it's like I've stepped into a time machine. Reproducing that kind of vibe in a digital simulation is one of the trickier things to pull off.

knowix
KVRist
250 posts since 12 Nov, 2011

Post Sat Dec 07, 2013 3:07 am

Ok. I read through the entire 71 page thread.

I kind of think that Siegfried Kullman was snowed under a bit by the more troublesome stuff associated with plugins. Having to cater for half a dozen different DAWS etc. I wonder if he felt like he was rolling that rock up a mountain and never reached any real reward other than lots of kudos.

Also the promise of there being a payware version may have made users of a free synth a little more demanding than would usually be the case.

On the bright side, Rainer Buchty is much more well versed on the subject than I expected. He has enormous knowledge of the SQ80's architecture.

It may also be the case that he effectively has an annotated source code, due to his considerable correspondences with Kullman about the synth. I also wonder how useful the original source code would be to build on, since it's written in Delphi?

So maybe the best we can do is encourage Rainer Buchty and an active plugin dev to get together to make a new synth, based on the previous work?

The two devs that immediately spring to mind are TAL, because of his past experience with emulations, turning freeware to payware, and since he probably speaks German; and Plogue, because one of the founders of Ensoniq was the designer of the SID chip.

Now whether either of those two would have any interest is another question entirely.

codec_spurt
KVRAF
3829 posts since 21 Sep, 2005

Post Sat Dec 07, 2013 2:25 pm

knowix wrote: Is there any OSC that sounds more genuinely retro than it?
https://sites.google.com/site/kvrosc/osc-19-sq8l
Not sure about the OSCs but the filter is something else. It is seriously analog. It's not really possible to tell the difference between it and any analog synth on a blind test.

Ok, Ok... :-)

For such a digital sounding synth, it is quite exceptional.

In fact, I have the pinnacle of Ensoniq technology, but no way does that sound as warm and analog as the SQ8L. It was the first in a very important line of technology. And it was the last. It has never been bettered. And it has never been better emulated than what Siggy did.
A true emulation. Even down to the bugs.

I don't think Siggy is being 'emotional'. I think he has moved on for whatever reason. I just wish him well. And if it were down to me, which it isn't, I would say 'the door is always open'.

I really wouldn't have a problem with paying a 100 bucks for SQ8X. A dream.

olepro
KVRAF
1550 posts since 19 Apr, 2003 from Copenhagen, Denmark

Post Sat Dec 07, 2013 2:49 pm

___The Jepptunes___
"Accept All the Good"

Sound design for SQ8L and Alchemy

kingtubby
KVRian
930 posts since 1 Mar, 2003 from Duston, NN5

Post Sat Dec 07, 2013 2:58 pm

codec_spurt wrote:
knowix wrote: Is there any OSC that sounds more genuinely retro than it?
https://sites.google.com/site/kvrosc/osc-19-sq8l
Not sure about the OSCs but the filter is something else. It is seriously analog. It's not really possible to tell the difference between it and any analog synth on a blind test.
I think by OSC he meant One Synth Challenge
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codec_spurt
KVRAF
3829 posts since 21 Sep, 2005

Post Sat Dec 07, 2013 3:29 pm

olepro wrote:I think he is fine and alive

https://www.facebook.com/siegfried.kullmann?fref=ts

Thanks for the heads up.
I don't use facebook or even visit pages of people that do.

I'm glad he's ok.

Does he mention SQ8L at all?


I've kind of gone past caring. And it sounds like he feels the same too.

There is more to life than music and vsts and sq8l.


It was more common courtesy I was talking about.

I'm sure he doesn't know what a fuss he caused. He just knocked it up in an afternoon on an afterthought, without knowing who would ever find it interesting.

Something upset him. This is his way of showing it. No worries.

knowix
KVRist
250 posts since 12 Nov, 2011

Post Sat Dec 07, 2013 11:31 pm

codec_spurt wrote:
I'm sure he doesn't know what a fuss he caused. He just knocked it up in an afternoon on an afterthought, without knowing who would ever find it interesting.

Something upset him. This is his way of showing it. No worries.
It was for a big college project and he spent a lot of time trying to get it right.

Most likely he realised that being a plugin developer didn't suit him and he got tired of being pestered about a project that wasn't going to make him any money. Even if he had put out the SQ8X, any resulting cashflow probably wouldn't have made up for the huge amount of work he put into it.

I'm considering emailing Rainer Buchty myself and asking him if he ever considered approaching another developer to continue the work (with Kullman's blessing). Would rather that someone else do it though, as I'm a pretty cold and distant person.

knowix
KVRist
250 posts since 12 Nov, 2011

Post Mon Dec 09, 2013 10:12 pm

Well I got in contact with Rainer Buchty. He said the source code is never likely to be available to him or others. Also, though he had considered working with other developers, he didn't seem interested in spear-heading a new emulation himself.

Seems like there's definitely not going to be any more development done on SQ8L.

So the only other option is leaving an SQ80 on Patrick Kunz's doorstep in the hope he'll emulate it out of curiousity :-P

vinx98
KVRer
5 posts since 10 Nov, 2012

Re: Sq8l by buchty

Post Wed Oct 23, 2019 12:53 am

Here's a useful video on how to automate SQ8L in Ableton and how to assign to knobs on your midi controller. I found it pretty interesting. and the sounds of the SQ8L are amazing. heres the video https://youtu.be/JrzZnZUIDHM

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