Synapse Audio Minimoog emulation "The Legend" for VST/AU and RE released!

[Richard_Synapse]

Indeed sorry, while fixing a minor issue with the demo before releasing it, we accidentally reverted the demo expiry part to the old one. We have updated the demo again and double-checked that it works

Richard

[Richard_Synapse]

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[chk071]

Demo has been updated yesterday, and the trial period has been reset as well (so if you tried in the past, you can try again for 30 days).

Just wanted to chime in to say that this is a great policy. Wished others would have the same.

[Local Man]

Also I am finding that when saving patches in the latest version, the mod wheel position is not saved with the patch. I know this is a bug because it says in the manual that the mod wheel position should be saved since it is the only way to set modulation and thus is a major sound design tool.
I can't confirm whether or not this was working in the previous version but it is broken for me here in 1.30.

Works fine here in 1.3. Are you sure your host and/or your keyboard is not sending Modwheel data, overriding whatever you saved?

Thanks for the response. I narrowed down the problem thanks to your help. It saves mod wheel position as expected when I adjust the mod wheel directly with my mouse in the GUI. But when I use my keyboard's mod wheel to adjust the mod position it does not save with the patch. It will save it in whatever position it was last in when I adjusted it directly in the GUI.

Not a huge deal at all but I do wish it would save my keyboard's mod wheel adjustments as that's the way I typically prefer to work. It's weird that it doesn't because the GUI does update as I move my keyboard's mod wheel.

Anyway, not that I think it is a problem that is unique to my keyboard or host but I am using a Komplete Kontrol S61 Mk II in Logic Pro 10.4.4 on MacOS Mojave for what it's worth.

And for the record, it has nothing to do with the Komplete Kontrol software as I assumed above. I tried both with and without and got the same results.

[Richard_Synapse]

Thanks for the response. I narrowed down the problem thanks to your help. It saves mod wheel position as expected when I adjust the mod wheel directly with my mouse in the GUI. But when I use my keyboard's mod wheel to adjust the mod position it does not save with the patch. It will save it in whatever position it was last in when I adjusted it directly in the GUI.

Not a huge deal at all but I do wish it would save my keyboard's mod wheel adjustments as that's the way I typically prefer to work. It's weird that it doesn't because the GUI does update as I move my keyboard's mod wheel.

Now that you mention it, it is possible we did this on purpose when preparing the initial release of The Legend. IIRC some sound designers wanted the modulation wheel to "stick" to a very precise position dialed in with the mouse, to make sure the patches do not change during creation (and spurious MIDI modulation wheel messages would of course ruin such a precise setting).

Either way, there is not much reason to have this behavior - so thank you for the detailed explanation and narrowing it down, which should make a fix very easy for us

Richard

[EvilDragon]

Richard, do you think it'd be nice if all the polyphonic patches in the factory bank were updated with polyphony set to 8 voices?

[v1o]

Thanks for the response. I narrowed down the problem thanks to your help. It saves mod wheel position as expected when I adjust the mod wheel directly with my mouse in the GUI. But when I use my keyboard's mod wheel to adjust the mod position it does not save with the patch. It will save it in whatever position it was last in when I adjusted it directly in the GUI.

Not a huge deal at all but I do wish it would save my keyboard's mod wheel adjustments as that's the way I typically prefer to work. It's weird that it doesn't because the GUI does update as I move my keyboard's mod wheel.

Now that you mention it, it is possible we did this on purpose when preparing the initial release of The Legend. IIRC some sound designers wanted the modulation wheel to "stick" to a very precise position dialed in with the mouse, to make sure the patches do not change during creation (and spurious MIDI modulation wheel messages would of course ruin such a precise setting).

Either way, there is not much reason to have this behavior - so thank you for the detailed explanation and narrowing it down, which should make a fix very easy for us

Richard

Add the change as an option. The current behaviour seems right as mod wheels tend to be imprecise.

[Echoes in the Attic]

Well I'm a late to realizing this, but I finally have to admit that the Legend really is the most accurate minimoog and a real pleasure to use! The overdrive and feedback are especially nice and really give an analog type growl. I'm sure I'll be picking this up soon.

I gotta say - Synapse, you are not doing yourself any favors with this demo policy. I demoed it twice (second time after an update) and over the month that I was given each time I just didn't have that much time to properly get into. Lately I've used it on someone elses system intensely and have realized finally the types of sounds where it really has an edge over others. But with these analog emulations where it gets that extra 5-10 % just right, you just don't always see it at first. I never would have known if I hadn't spent more time with it. So the demo limitation is a great way to have busy people just not realize how great it is. I've had demos on my system for a year before I found that it had something special and I suddenly needed to have it. Without that perpetual demo I would never have gone back to it.

[BONES]

Maybe its deliberate? Maybe it's a way to weed out difficult customers? Maybe Synapse doesn't want to have to deal with people who can't make up their mind in 30 days? That would make good sense to me.

[Echoes in the Attic]

Maybe its deliberate? Maybe it's a way to weed out difficult customers? Maybe Synapse doesn't want to have to deal with people who can't make up their mind in 30 days? That would make good sense to me.

So you think someone who is either quite careful in their purchases and/or too busy (perhaps unexpectedly so) so really get to know it enough, would more likely be a difficult customer than someone who impulse buys? I'm pretty sure you would find no correlation there, more likely an inverse correlation. An impulse buyer would be just as likely to later sell, if not more.
It's amazing how backwards your logic is.

[BONES]

Mate, it takes me two minutes, it's not hard. Mostly I download demos just to make sure a plugin will run in my host, I've already decided if I want it or not. Sometimes it's a harder decision - I spent ages ummmming and arrrring about Monoment Bass, for example - but I don't need to dig into all the finer points of an instrument to know whether or not it's going to work for me. I just need to see what it does (features) and hear how it sounds. Compare it to buying a new car - you don't get to take that home and use it for 30 days before you decide, you get a 15 minute drive around the neighbourhood and that's it. For something you might be paying $40,000 for. Yet people manage to buy the right car time after time. On that scale a $150 synth is worth about 10 seconds of hands-on time but Synapse, in their generosity, give us 30 days. We are so lucky and you want to complain? It does my head in.

[kmonkey]

So you think someone who is either quite careful in their purchases and/or too busy (perhaps unexpectedly so) so really get to know it enough, would more likely be a difficult customer than someone who impulse buys? I'm pretty sure you would find no correlation there, more likely an inverse correlation. An impulse buyer would be just as likely to later sell, if not more.
It's amazing how backwards your logic is.

What are you confused about? It's BONES you are talking to. The guy who thinks if rest of the world doesn't operate/like/work in the way he does - everyone is wrong!

You see, now when you told him that his logic does not make any sense (it's perfect example) he is writing you a stories on how he's demoing his stuff.

Priceless.

I blocked him long time ago but sadly i see his response in your quote.

[v1o]

Compare it to buying a new car - you don't get to take that home and use it for 30 days before you decide, you get a 15 minute drive around the neighbourhood and that's it. For something you might be paying $40,000 for. Yet people manage to buy the right car time after time. On that scale a $150 synth is worth about 10 seconds of hands-on time but Synapse, in their generosity, give us 30 days. We are so lucky and you want to complain? It does my head in.

Yeah same with buying a house, you cannot host a party with friends/family and demo living in the space for 30 days before making up your mind. What that has to do with demoing music software - I honestly do not know.

Bones, I think a much better analogy is a workstation keyboard or synth in a music shop. When I was a kid I would go play keyboards in the music shop after school with minimal restrictions. There were no 30 day restrictions. I could sit there and play using my headphones.

[AnX]

ppl just need to get organised

its a luxury item....

[Elektronisch]

Mate, it takes me two minutes, it's not hard. Mostly I download demos just to make sure a plugin will run in my host, I've already decided if I want it or not. Sometimes it's a harder decision - I spent ages ummmming and arrrring about Monoment Bass, for example - but I don't need to dig into all the finer points of an instrument to know whether or not it's going to work for me. I just need to see what it does (features) and hear how it sounds. Compare it to buying a new car - you don't get to take that home and use it for 30 days before you decide, you get a 15 minute drive around the neighbourhood and that's it. For something you might be paying $40,000 for. Yet people manage to buy the right car time after time. On that scale a $150 synth is worth about 10 seconds of hands-on time but Synapse, in their generosity, give us 30 days. We are so lucky and you want to complain? It does my head in.

What a horrible comparison a car is a physical object that wears of when driving, exploiting on the road. So its understandable why there is a 15 minute drive. Software doesnt wear off, doesnt exploit, doesnt break, selling copies of it doesnt require any labor, you just copy and paste it. Come on Bones