Thread Lockers !

If it's not about music it belongs here! Please keep it civil and decent.... except - see below->
User avatar
Forgotten
KVRAF
5313 posts since 15 Apr, 2019 from Nowhere

Post Fri Nov 08, 2019 4:14 am

vurt wrote:
Fri Nov 08, 2019 3:55 am
running around shooting people dressed in a polka dot onesie :)
...and building very tall and structurally unsound forts out of what looks like old fence panels...

User avatar
telecode
KVRian
1274 posts since 24 Mar, 2015 from Toronto, Canada

Re: Thread Lockers !

Post Fri Nov 08, 2019 4:57 am

chk071 wrote:
Fri Nov 08, 2019 4:09 am
To get to the topic again: I must admit that i don't quite get the modding on this site. Seems rather counterproductive to rather lock threads, than to call out and warn people for their abusive/whatever behavior (in PM or whatever). It's as if a policeman would rather shut down a party, before telling the people who organize the party to lower the volume of the music. This way, the only thing which is obvious is that when you're getting too abusive, the thread will be locked, which spoils it for everyone. Can't be the intended and desired outcome. Not for me, at least. My guess is that KVR wants to avoid accusations of judging in favour of companies, by shutting up people who "criticize companies", which isn't happening, when it's just obvious trolling.
The threads get locked because once the flaming starts it goes on for pages and pages.

I don't participate. I learnt my lesson when I got here. There are a few "usual suspects" that I avoid. Others I just add to foes and mute.
Image

Gear: Mac Mini 2008 model, i7, OS X 10.13.x (High Sierra), 16gb RAM, Cubase 10.5, Cubase 9.5, Maschine MK3, Maschine Jam, Arturia, Komplete 6, Komplete Ultimate, lots of guitars and lapsteels

chk071
KVRAF
22238 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany

Re: Thread Lockers !

Post Fri Nov 08, 2019 5:02 am

telecode wrote:
Fri Nov 08, 2019 4:57 am
The threads get locked because once the flaming starts it goes on for pages and pages.
yeah, but, it would be much better to warn the respective people, preferrably by PM than just giving a general warning in the thread, which nobody feels adressed to, than locking the topic, and messing it up for everyone. It's just a handful of people anyway, so, why not just adress them personally, because it is a personal thing, not a general thing?

Anyway, i'm not a moderator here, and i don't make the rules, so, they gotta know. I know how i would do it.

User avatar
AsPeeXXXVIII
KVRian
509 posts since 17 Aug, 2015 from Finland

Re: Thread Lockers !

Post Fri Nov 08, 2019 5:36 am

recursive one wrote:
Fri Nov 08, 2019 3:54 am
Btw, is Fortnite any good?
It is not.
"Creativity is a lot like sex. When it's spontaneous, it's good, but forcing it makes it bad."
My metal music | My electronic music

User avatar
Forgotten
KVRAF
5313 posts since 15 Apr, 2019 from Nowhere

Re: Thread Lockers !

Post Fri Nov 08, 2019 6:01 am

AsPeeXXXVIII wrote:
Fri Nov 08, 2019 5:36 am
recursive one wrote:
Fri Nov 08, 2019 3:54 am
Btw, is Fortnite any good?
It is not.
A few minutes of watching any YouTuber comment on it should be enough to convince anyone of that

User avatar
Hink
Rad Grandad
29578 posts since 6 Sep, 2003 from Downeast Maine

Re: Thread Lockers !

Post Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:26 am

chk071 wrote:
Fri Nov 08, 2019 5:02 am
telecode wrote:
Fri Nov 08, 2019 4:57 am
The threads get locked because once the flaming starts it goes on for pages and pages.
yeah, but, it would be much better to warn the respective people, preferrably by PM than just giving a general warning in the thread, which nobody feels adressed to, than locking the topic, and messing it up for everyone. It's just a handful of people anyway, so, why not just adress them personally, because it is a personal thing, not a general thing?

Anyway, i'm not a moderator here, and i don't make the rules, so, they gotta know. I know how i would do it.
I just saw this...what makes you think we dont, you see I put a warning in the thread as well because if we just send out PM's nobody besides the recipients would know we took action and then we would be hearing we never do anything (well obviously we still do ^^^^^) :lol:

It doesn't matter much, yesterday was a great example...a member went off on another member in a thread...said post was reported...I posted in the thread and also sent out a board warning. As with most board warnings I got a PM explaining how stupid I am, other people do it so I am a crappy mod. So you know I didnt ban or suspend the person, that's how it goes almost every time I send out a warning*.

In multiple threads when I have sent out the board warnings I get back the lamest response of all (this is very common). I didn't read your post, if I didn't see it I couldn't read it...so what are we suppose to do? Email 300k members or perhaps those very few over entitled members who believe nothing is their responsibility. So I try, but I'm sorry I am not sending out 300k pm's every time something comes up :hihi:

*so you know one of the people I have known for many years here, who I consider a very good friend got a board warning and he was awesome about it, in another thread a dev got a board warning (a very respected dev at that) and they were absolutely fantastic about it as well.
Albert Einstein may have been a genius but his brother Frank was a monster

chk071
KVRAF
22238 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany

Re: Thread Lockers !

Post Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:03 am

I wonder what happens if i open up another Massive X thread now. Or, actually, i don't really wonder, i know what's coming. So, basically, the synth is a no-go area now. Discussion unwanted, because, obvious is obvious. Which is a shame. It shouldn't be like that. There shouldn't be no-go areas in cities as well. Policemen should do their job. I don't say you don't. I just tip that a general "you you" once or twice per thread won't do.

My opinion. Doesn't have to be yours (i know it isn't). Last time i complained about it. Promised. ;)

machinesworking
KVRAF
1870 posts since 15 Aug, 2003 from seattle

Re: Thread Lockers !

Post Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:33 am

It's really simple, refrain from personal attacks.
Refrain from subtle innuendo that someone's point of view is an indicator that they're stupid.

It's a huge leap from saying your opinion on something is ill informed, is a logical fallacy, and/or has been noted, to you're dim witted, can't form a proper thought, and repeat yourself like a 5 year old.

Maybe I'm being biased, but I think the KVR community is filled with really smart people. I do think for some reason that not so subtle difference in debate technique is completely missed at times.

Part of that is comedic affect though, it's much more entertaining to say "Show us in the doll where NI hurt you", than to ignore someone whose made their point in every thread, that you don't agree with.

samsam
KVRAF
2898 posts since 9 Dec, 2008

Re: Thread Lockers !

Post Fri Nov 08, 2019 4:07 pm

nmnmnmnn
Last edited by samsam on Sat Nov 09, 2019 1:34 am, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
mumpcake
KVRian
1094 posts since 27 Aug, 2004

Re: Thread Lockers !

Post Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:16 pm

telecode wrote:
Fri Nov 08, 2019 12:59 am
Go get a life and go play Fortnite or something.
Those two requests are not compatible.
Even if the piano player can't play, keep the party going.
http://www.soundclick.com/mumpcake
https://mumpfucious.wordpress.com/

chk071
KVRAF
22238 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany

Re: Thread Lockers !

Post Sat Nov 09, 2019 2:52 am

machinesworking wrote:
Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:33 am
It's really simple, refrain from personal attacks.
Refrain from subtle innuendo that someone's point of view is an indicator that they're stupid.

It's a huge leap from saying your opinion on something is ill informed, is a logical fallacy, and/or has been noted, to you're dim witted, can't form a proper thought, and repeat yourself like a 5 year old.

Maybe I'm being biased, but I think the KVR community is filled with really smart people. I do think for some reason that not so subtle difference in debate technique is completely missed at times.

Part of that is comedic affect though, it's much more entertaining to say "Show us in the doll where NI hurt you", than to ignore someone whose made their point in every thread, that you don't agree with.
So, basically, someone says that company or product XY (which probably a lot of people use and like) is a steaming pile of crap, and you're asking me to reply "Yo... dude... your opinion might be ill-informed... it has been noted as a logical fallacy...". Well, nah, that will change as much as the modding here.

Anyway. I can't change this site, and the non-existing enforcing of its own rules. Just a quick reminder what they are, and how they are broken every day, with no consequence whatsoever:
What isn't KVR?

There are many things that KVR isn't but in particular the following aren't welcome:

KVR isn't a place for obtaining or discussing warez, cracks, porn, politics, etc.
Flames/Stupid arguments.
Elite-ness/Egos/One-upmanship/Penis comparison/Parent fights/etc.
Format wars (Please…)/Host wars (Come on, try now…)/Platform wars (Leave it Darren, it’s not worth it…).
KVR isn't a free for all democracy where you can say what you like about who you like, respect one another and they will respect you.
And, if you're saying that this site is filled with smart people, then why don't these "smart people" act like smart people?

Hanz Meyzer
KVRian
1265 posts since 20 Oct, 2014

Re: Thread Lockers !

Post Sat Nov 09, 2019 3:00 am

I never experienced a thread lock here, but I just got my first warning, so every new post I add to that thread will be deleted immediately. :lol:

User avatar
Unaspected
KVRian
1036 posts since 4 May, 2012

Re: Thread Lockers !

Post Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:46 am

I want to know. Um. Why it is that Massive X seems to have Satanic signs all over it? And what is it that makes... Does this synth cause you to do what you do?

chk071
KVRAF
22238 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany

Re: Thread Lockers !

Post Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:49 am

It's because NI is big. That's about it really.

Of course, the synth has some questionable design choices as well. But, if it was only about that, then the objections would be worded differently. Or... worded at all, instead of bashing NI or the people actually liking the synth.

Ok, to be fair, it's only very few people (i counted 2 on the most recent thread). Which seem to have nothing better to do in life than troll the people enjoying the plugin though. Even worse that those very few people once again spoil it for everyone. I think it is called "terror" in the real world. It's as if you stood up on a stool in a shopping area, and play prophet of doom.

User avatar
Unaspected
KVRian
1036 posts since 4 May, 2012

Re: Thread Lockers !

Post Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:59 am

chk071 wrote:
Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:49 am
It's because NI is big. That's about it really.

Of course, the synth has some questionable design choices as well. But, if it was only about that, then the objections would be worded differently. Or... worded at all, instead of bashing NI or the people actually liking the synth.
It does all seem rather silly. I'm not going to get into it here though - Just had to write that meme to highlight the ridiculousness.

Return to “Off Topic”