Plugin for depth (essentially a BP filter)

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Mushy Mushy
KVRAF
12979 posts since 7 Sep, 2008

Post Wed Nov 20, 2019 4:38 pm

I just watched a MixBus TV video (great presenter BTW) on spatial depth where he explained the sense of depth is achieved mainly by EQ and not reverb. Thinking about it and it’s quite enlightening really as I always prioritised reverb and then EQ.

So rather than automate the HP and LP EQs on every one of my tracks (I’ll be there for days), is there a simple plugin that has one dial called depth. Turn it and the BP filter narrows, wind it back and it’s full audio spectrum.

I should emphasise this isn’t as simple as deciding on a fixed centre frequency as I’m sure the ear is a little more complicated than that.
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jochicago
KVRian
742 posts since 26 Feb, 2018

Re: Plugin for depth (essentially a BP filter)

Post Wed Nov 20, 2019 5:30 pm

Are you talking about automated LFO?
I haven't used it like this, but when I need movement I grab for TB Module
https://www.toneboosters.com/tb_trackes ... tml#tabs-6

The only think I really do in terms of constant automatic movement is give a 50% panning swing to a secondary track that's stuck at center, typically keys. But with module you can automate a few different things. You can download the plugins as a bundle to demo. And checkout the presets for a lot of prewired movement options. Takes a moment to understand, but it's easy enough if you give it 15 mins.

Ah_Dziz
KVRAF
2722 posts since 2 Jul, 2005

Re: Plugin for depth (essentially a BP filter)

Post Wed Nov 20, 2019 6:19 pm

Melda MBandpass. It’s pretty simple, and has multiparameter automation along with modulation. It also has variable cutoff curves and is free (sorta).
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Ah_Dziz
KVRAF
2722 posts since 2 Jul, 2005

Re: Plugin for depth (essentially a BP filter)

Post Wed Nov 20, 2019 6:24 pm

The moral of the story is that you could setup a multiparameter called “depth”, that would do whatever you want. So it would cut the highs and lows and move the center frequency over the range of the control, and also do things like turn up the overall signal a bit to make up the loss of signal, or blend between the filtered and Unfiltered signal etc.
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ilmai
KVRist
422 posts since 25 Aug, 2016 from Helsinki, Finland

Re: Plugin for depth (essentially a BP filter)

Post Wed Nov 20, 2019 11:19 pm

Not quite what you asked for, but TDR has a free plugin called Proximity that does all sorts of psychoacoustic stuff to simulate a sense of depth. You can turn the individual effects on and off as you like.

https://www.tokyodawn.net/proximity/

lwj
KVRist
318 posts since 3 Feb, 2018

Re: Plugin for depth (essentially a BP filter)

Post Thu Nov 21, 2019 2:06 am

You might be looking for a tilt eq, like the Tonelux Tilt from Softube. 6 or 12 db hp and lp and then a tilt knob that essentially works like a brighter or darker. You can flip this action to boost either highs and lows or mids instead of the normal tilt action. Really practical, simple plug-in.

Mushy Mushy
KVRAF
12979 posts since 7 Sep, 2008

Re: Plugin for depth (essentially a BP filter)

Post Thu Nov 21, 2019 3:44 am

ilmai wrote:
Wed Nov 20, 2019 11:19 pm
Not quite what you asked for, but TDR has a free plugin called Proximity that does all sorts of psychoacoustic stuff to simulate a sense of depth. You can turn the individual effects on and off as you like.

https://www.tokyodawn.net/proximity/
This looks exactly like what I asked for :tu:
Will give it a try today.

Re the other responses mentioning automating an LFO this isn’t really what I’m after. Of course this is possible but it will be an incredibly basic approximation that doesn’t take into consideration true psycho-acoustic principles. And that’s the exact problem, I can’t explain these because I don’t know what they are.

For example, what is the rolloff slope on the bass and by how much does it vary each metre/foot. The same with the treble which will have a different slope. Neither of which will be linear.

The two I have shortlisted are Proximity (above) and 2c Audio’s Precedence.
"I was wondering if you'd like to try Magic Mushrooms"
"Oooh I dont know. Sounds a bit scary"
"It's not scary. You just lose a sense of who you are and all that sh!t"

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andymcbain
KVRist
259 posts since 10 Jan, 2017

Re: Plugin for depth (essentially a BP filter)

Post Thu Nov 21, 2019 4:56 am

The CM version of Panagement by Auburn Sounds might be worth a bash, if you can track it down!

https://www.youtube.com/embed/Pbaggr2iNRk

Mushy Mushy
KVRAF
12979 posts since 7 Sep, 2008

Re: Plugin for depth (essentially a BP filter)

Post Thu Nov 21, 2019 5:14 am

andymcbain wrote:
Thu Nov 21, 2019 4:56 am
The CM version of Panagement by Auburn Sounds might be worth a bash, if you can track it down!

https://www.youtube.com/embed/Pbaggr2iNRk
Thanks. Just watched the video on silent but that was enough to notice the distance control and the crescent shaped proximity locator.

I do have a CM subscription so will try it later today.
"I was wondering if you'd like to try Magic Mushrooms"
"Oooh I dont know. Sounds a bit scary"
"It's not scary. You just lose a sense of who you are and all that sh!t"

riddim83
KVRer
29 posts since 25 Oct, 2018

Re: Plugin for depth (essentially a BP filter)

Post Thu Nov 21, 2019 6:12 am

If you change your mind and want to roll your own, Cytomic's The Drop should be great for this as it has Shift and Spread knobs for controlling the two filters together, as well as some modulation options and MIDI in for controlling it.

The Melda solution mentioned above will most likely be a lot more flexible, but I don't know how great their filters are, whereas The Drop is the one plugin I'd give a blanket recommendation regardless of the music you make.

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Guillaume Piolat
KVRist
201 posts since 21 Sep, 2015 from Grenoble

Re: Plugin for depth (essentially a BP filter)

Post Thu Nov 28, 2019 2:24 am

andymcbain wrote:
Thu Nov 21, 2019 4:56 am
The CM version of Panagement by Auburn Sounds might be worth a bash, if you can track it down!

https://www.youtube.com/embed/Pbaggr2iNRk
Hello, Panagement 1 is essentially a bandpass since it combines one low-shelf and one high-shelf to simulate distance.

Be sure to check out Panagement 2 which enhance the formula with automatic early reflections / late reflections / delay with reverb injection.
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sinkmusic
KVRAF
6297 posts since 28 Apr, 2004 from france

Re: Plugin for depth (essentially a BP filter)

Post Thu Nov 28, 2019 2:40 am

+1, Panagement is amazing !
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