New ExpressiveE instrument: Osmose

[himalaya]

they have really different strength.

Absolutely, and thus, they complement each other perfectly.

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

they have really different strength.

Absolutely, and thus, they complement each other perfectly.

Yup! In an ideal world I’d have ‘em all

[vurt]

they have really different strength.

Absolutely, and thus, they complement each other perfectly.

Yup! In an ideal world I’d have ‘em all

you answering the "fancying spice girls" or controllers question?

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

they have really different strength.

Absolutely, and thus, they complement each other perfectly.

Yup! In an ideal world I’d have ‘em all

you answering the "fancying spice girls" or controllers question?

Both

[himalaya]

I feel that we are progressing towards this ideal world, with more expressive instruments being designed and offered to the public. At last...

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

I feel that we are progressing towards this ideal world, with more expressive instruments being designed and offered to the public. At last...

Unfortunately, with the exception of Roli’s blocks, they are still priced so far outside of the bounds of most people’s budgets.

[SLiC]

A fingerboard (fretted or unfretted) and strings offer all the MPE+ expression for a very low entry cost...probably why so many of us are guitarists! My fretless Bass even has built in microtonality

[vurt]

I feel that we are progressing towards this ideal world, with more expressive instruments being designed and offered to the public. At last...

Unfortunately, with the exception of Roli’s blocks, they are still priced so far outside of the bounds of most people’s budgets.

get uli on it!
brolis and bosmose for the win!!!

[SLiC]

I feel that we are progressing towards this ideal world, with more expressive instruments being designed and offered to the public. At last...

Unfortunately, with the exception of Roli’s blocks, they are still priced so far outside of the bounds of most people’s budgets.

I think the Sensel Morph is actually cheaper than the Seaward Block with the keyboard overlay...
https://sensel.com/collections/all/prod ... 7273075791

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

I feel that we are progressing towards this ideal world, with more expressive instruments being designed and offered to the public. At last...

Unfortunately, with the exception of Roli’s blocks, they are still priced so far outside of the bounds of most people’s budgets.

I think the Sensel Morph is actually cheaper than the Seaward Block with the keyboard overlay...
https://sensel.com/collections/all/prod ... 7273075791

The Morph is probably a good starter option due to it’s layout flexibility. Also, there’s the Joué which I’d love to try. It’s more expensive, but more flexible (for music purposes, at least) due to it’s size.

[Pashkuli]

For 49 keys Osmose will be around 60% more expensive (after pre-order promotion ends) than its Seaboard counterpart. At the moment they are roughly the same price (not sure about the inclusion of VAT on both prices though, probably included...)
Should we compare them... subjective opinion. I think - yes, others might disagree.

So, Osmose will be definitely more expensive unless mass production could drop the price after let's say 2~3 years (highly unlikely to happen at all). Depends on the developers and manufacturer.
Hoped we could see some price drops, but that would be too optimistic at this point.

[SLiC]

Yes, I like the Morph, its a keeper....its a bit more than just an MPE control as you can make any layout you want so it's a super flexible controller in general. I have the Innovator’s Overlay and with the overlay designer you can draw out your own controls, and make a custom controller really fast...an X/Y/Z controller at that!

[himalaya]

I feel that we are progressing towards this ideal world, with more expressive instruments being designed and offered to the public. At last...

Unfortunately, with the exception of Roli’s blocks, they are still priced so far outside of the bounds of most people’s budgets.

Yes, that's unfortunate, but that's how it is when the revolution is started by small independent companies or designers....often starting from the ground up with no prior experience and no resources.

If I maybe a bit daring and speculative, I'd say that the whole MPE instrument revolution should have been spearheaded by the big guys like Yamaha, Roland, Korg, et al, and maybe then we would have seen more affordable products.

But there is also another side to this. In the 90s people would save up for that big hardware synth or a workstation. We would be asked to pay in the region of £1500 for a lot of the gear that was desired back then and people wouldn't baulk at the price. It's only now that we see this price as exorbitant, maybe all due to the fact that we can buy a cheap midi keyboard, a bunch of inexpensive plugins and have more sonic power than anything that was available in the 90s. So, maybe we don't see value in spending so much for a keyboard, albeit a very expressive one, as we have this mental 'monetary' threshold that says: "anything above £500 is a no-no".....just speculating...

[Pashkuli]

But there is also another side to this. In the 90s people would save up for that big hardware synth or a workstation. We would be asked to pay in the region of £1500 for a lot of the gear that was desired back then and people wouldn't baulk at the price. It's only now that we see this price as exorbitant, maybe all due to the fact that we can buy a cheap midi keyboard, a bunch of inexpensive plugins and have more sonic power than anything that was available in the 90s. So, maybe we don't see value in spending so much for a keyboard, albeit a very expressive one, as we have this mental 'monetary' threshold that says: "anything above £500 is a no-no".....just speculating...

Synths are good but it is just a sound variation at the end. I do care about proper functionality though.
Seems like most of the so called 'dimensions' and features of those instruments (Osmose, Seaboard, etc.) depend on the synth preset, hence they are software based. It would be an overkill to make it with analogue sound synthesis, if possible at all.
Considering that these days most companies and devs behind modern tech. or posh visual appearance of their products put at least ×5 the manufacturing price as an added value (I've seen even ×10), makes me believe that these instruments could offered for much cheaper. But again that depends on the demand, the higher it is, the less the manufacturing price. But if the demand is higher, why would you drop the price? It is a never ending cycle.

I would prefer a design to get spread out as broader (and fast) as possible, than to wait to get rich from a small circle of fanboys who act more as a collectors. Personal opinion.

[vurt]

I feel that we are progressing towards this ideal world, with more expressive instruments being designed and offered to the public. At last...

Unfortunately, with the exception of Roli’s blocks, they are still priced so far outside of the bounds of most people’s budgets.

Yes, that's unfortunate, but that's how it is when the revolution is started by small independent companies or designers....often starting from the ground up with no prior experience and no resources.

If I maybe a bit daring and speculative, I'd say that the whole MPE instrument revolution should have been spearheaded by the big guys like Yamaha, Roland, Korg, et al, and maybe then we would have seen more affordable products.

But there is also another side to this. In the 90s people would save up for that big hardware synth or a workstation. We would be asked to pay in the region of £1500 for a lot of the gear that was desired back then and people wouldn't baulk at the price. It's only now that we see this price as exorbitant, maybe all due to the fact that we can buy a cheap midi keyboard, a bunch of inexpensive plugins and have more sonic power than anything that was available in the 90s. So, maybe we don't see value in spending so much for a keyboard, albeit a very expressive one, as we have this mental 'monetary' threshold that says: "anything above £500 is a no-no".....just speculating...

tbf many people did baulk at the price.
hence the rise in dance music when all the synth dudes went digital and you could get cheap analogue drum machines and monosynrhs in the hands of untrained musicians, giving rise to the "punk" of its day.