NI Massive still worth buying ?

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KVRer
6 posts since 3 Dec, 2019 from Montréal

Post Fri Dec 06, 2019 6:35 am

I actually prefer the workflow, and UI, of Massive X. Massive sounds great but its UI comes from an era with lower resolution screens. Creating patches from scratch in Massive X is more fun IMHO.

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KVRAF
3965 posts since 21 Sep, 2005

Re: NI Massive still worth buying ?

Post Fri Dec 06, 2019 8:15 am

Just a thought, but if you can find an old version of Komplete on ebay or somewhere (like really old), then you can buy updates as well second-hand. I have a still sealed Komplete 10 update, to full Komplete 10, but you need a version (2 and above iirc) for it to work. I've seen others selling these as well for about 20-30 bucks. You buy them, don't get around to using them, then you get another update that works and you don't need them anymore.

I imagine the hard part is finding an old Komplete on ebay or somewhere, but I'm sure they are around. Then again, maybe people buy them up so they can do the upgrade/update thing.

The thing is, if you could find an old Komplete, usually less than v7 seem to go a bit cheaper, because a lot of people actually want v7 because it was the last working version to be compatible with the Kore system - then it may not work out to be much more expensive than a second-hand Massive would be.

Even if it was a few bucks more expensive, you would have the full Komplete 10 or maybe 11 and with all the goodies that entails. You wouldn't have the latest Massive-X, but so what? Seems like a different synth to me entirely. Sounds like you are more interested in Massive 1 anyway.

Then you could have FM8, Absynth, Battery *, Reaktor, Kontakt... plus more as well!

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If you got Komplete 7 say, then that would include Battery 3, and if you updated to 10 or 11 that would include Battery 4 as well, which is a different beast really (Battery 3 comes with a bigger and better library for one thing).

With the full version of Reaktor and Kontakt you would then have access to all kinds of libraries that are free on the net, but only work with full versions. Plus there's about a 100GB of sample content included as well with Kontakt (and loads of amazing ensembles with Reaktor). It would open up a whole new world.

If money is tight, then after bagging that you wouldn't need to buy any other software again in your life.

I don't know. You might have to wait. You might have to have a good look around. You might even need to pay a few bucks more. But you'd get your hands on Massive and all those other amazing synths/samplers/drums!

My version of Komplete update to v10 was about 150 bucks still in the shops, even recently, but you see them going in the market place here for about 30 bucks or so depending on currency and whether people want shipping/postage paid on top.

Something to consider.

Probably slightly more cash, but many more goodies to play with.
"Once a junkie, always a junkie, I guess" - Bruce Swedien.

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eluherlu
KVRist
133 posts since 13 Aug, 2017

Re: NI Massive still worth buying ?

Post Fri Dec 06, 2019 10:09 am

I love original Massive's performer modulation. Also, it's so easy to program because I already so used to it. Maybe look into Komplete Select, it also has Monark and few others.

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KVRAF
7917 posts since 4 Jul, 2012 from Alesia

Re: NI Massive still worth buying ?

Post Fri Dec 06, 2019 10:23 am

As a synth on its own the mod system in massive is pretty great, but the possibilities become so much more when you start using DAW automation as well.

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KVRAF
9900 posts since 26 Jun, 2006 from San Francisco Bay Area

Re: NI Massive still worth buying ?

Post Fri Dec 06, 2019 10:29 am

I think so. Massive has a certain character that many call “plastic,” (including me) but I consider that to me part of its charm. So many people and developers are tackling the “analog” sound, that I fear that we’ll discard synths like Massive for no real reason. It’s just a different flavor, and an equally good one. That said, if you don’t like it, move on. There are tons of other synths out there that offer alternatives to Massive, but none that really sound like it.
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KVRAF
7917 posts since 4 Jul, 2012 from Alesia

Re: NI Massive still worth buying ?

Post Fri Dec 06, 2019 10:30 am

Synthman2000 wrote:
Fri Dec 06, 2019 2:21 am
The downside to Massive and its update Masssive X is that I have never been very impressed with its FM capabilities. Although I am after a certain texture of FM normally and neither works very well to my ears. This may be down to not enough effort, for perspective I mean 2 hours worth of playing around and not making a single worthy FM lead sound. You can get some FM like textures from the filter and LFO (Massive original) but it never holds up to other synths. I have yet to make a single usable FM sound with Massive X with either modes so far so I use my tried an trusted ones.
I don’t think the FM in either Massive or Massive X was meant to replace a proper FM synth. This is where FM8 comes in to save the day! It would be nice if they made a super synth to cover both properly.

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Synthman2000
KVRian
618 posts since 27 Apr, 2016

Re: NI Massive still worth buying ?

Post Fri Dec 06, 2019 11:16 am

I agree Massive X has a character, and part of the character is rather chameleon like, in good way you cannot quite pin it down but it works very well with the sounds it is good at. In fact I would like to see a chameleon counterpart to Gorilla mode. :clown:

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KVRian
573 posts since 12 Jul, 2004

Re: NI Massive still worth buying ?

Post Fri Dec 06, 2019 11:18 am

i think original Massive still worth buying, it's still unique synth with a very own character and very deep options for sound design
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KVRAF
10188 posts since 19 Feb, 2004 from Paris

Re: NI Massive still worth buying ?

Post Sat Dec 07, 2019 5:51 am

Massive is different from Massive X. it's an inspiring instrument, like Largo, and I somewhat prefer them to more modern WT synths that -imo- lack personnality.

Now a synth is only an instrument. I often heard that Massive was harsh sounding, only good for EDM etc. Actually it's just what you make with it. Below, some examples of the Wave Grooves soundset. Not your typical Massive patches, but well ...

Wave Grooves 3
Wave Grooves 2
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KVRAF
13470 posts since 7 Sep, 2008

Re: NI Massive still worth buying ?

Post Mon Dec 09, 2019 5:21 am

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glokraw
KVRAF
7304 posts since 6 Oct, 2004

Re: NI Massive still worth buying ?

Post Mon Dec 09, 2019 3:03 pm

I think a lot of older synths can get new life with just a versatile EQ plugin
and distortion unit. Massive pads to me benefit from some bass or low-mids boost,
and a wee bit of saturation. Making some good effect chains in a multi-fx unit
can save some time learning each synths own effects. The preset browser is
pretty good, so picking a top 50 sounds to work from shouldn't
be hard. Grundge, squwobbles, pads, bells, flutes, Massive covers a lot of sounds.
As mentioned above, it is what you make of it.
Cheers

Music Bird
KVRist
258 posts since 23 Apr, 2017 from Eastern US

Re: NI Massive still worth buying ?

Post Mon Dec 09, 2019 4:42 pm

I have Massive (the original version). I got it and Kontakt a few weeks ago. Nothing beats those sounds in there, not just EDM sounds, the presets Swan and Brass Model work surprisingly well for other genres too.
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atya
KVRist
330 posts since 17 Sep, 2014 from LPGC

Re: NI Massive still worth buying ?

Post Tue Dec 10, 2019 1:43 am

glokraw wrote:
Mon Dec 09, 2019 3:03 pm
I think a lot of older synths can get new life with just a versatile EQ plugin
and distortion unit.
...
As mentioned above, it is what you make of it.
Cheers
+1. One of my go-to FX for any synth (vocals, drums and whatnot) is Waves' TG12345 channel strip from the Abbey Rd. series - loads of lovely 'analogue' character, wouldn't want to miss it.
Dunno what to make of Massive X with all the other fish in the sea these days (I spent a lot of time with Synthmaster One lately, more than with SM 2.9 and didn't miss much else for my EDM vibes - serious bang for the buck IMO).

TheUplifter
KVRer
11 posts since 8 Dec, 2019 from Frankfurt / Germany

Re: NI Massive still worth buying ?

Post Wed Dec 11, 2019 2:23 am

I think Massive is still definately worth getting - especially at the discounted price! It has it's own sound character and doesn't sound "out-dated". It mainly depends on the sounds that you are using, EQing etc. The only thing that might not appealing you very much is the GUI. But this is also a matter of taste, I guess :)

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KVRAF
22455 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany

Re: NI Massive still worth buying ?

Post Wed Dec 11, 2019 2:50 am

TheUplifter wrote:
Wed Dec 11, 2019 2:23 am
I think Massive is still definately worth getting - especially at the discounted price! It has it's own sound character and doesn't sound "out-dated". It mainly depends on the sounds that you are using, EQing etc.
I'm not saying that that is necessarily wrong. I just wonder if you ever have heard anyone saying that a Moog depends on the sounds you are using, and the EQ you are applying. ;)

If a synth needs some special sound design, and EQ'ing to sound decent, it's the wrong synth for me. Of course you have to use effects at some point, to make way for other sounds, or to make some sounds stand out, when you dial in sone treble, but, everytime I hear the argument that you can make any synth sound good, I wonder why I would want to waste my time with that. I'd rather use something which sounds good to me, than try hard to make it sound good. Waste of time for me. YMMV.

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