16GB or 32GB of ram?

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Daimonicon
KVRian
799 posts since 30 Aug, 2012 from Sweden

Post Wed Feb 26, 2020 6:23 am

sluggo wrote:
Tue Feb 18, 2020 10:12 am
Pretty much all of my work I use vst softsynths which may include 2 plugins that use audio libraries: Guru drum sampler and StylusRMX. I've also used a sampler with bass samples. Other than that, I don't really use a sampler. At some point I may bounce some tracks but I've never used more than 16 audio tracks.

Considering the above, is 16GB of ram enough for my needs?

thanks
Do you have 16GB now? How much is maximum in you computer?

sluggo
KVRian
653 posts since 31 May, 2002 from chez moi

Re: 16GB or 32GB of ram?

Post Wed Feb 26, 2020 6:52 am

Daimonicon wrote:
Wed Feb 26, 2020 6:23 am
sluggo wrote:
Tue Feb 18, 2020 10:12 am
Pretty much all of my work I use vst softsynths which may include 2 plugins that use audio libraries: Guru drum sampler and StylusRMX. I've also used a sampler with bass samples. Other than that, I don't really use a sampler. At some point I may bounce some tracks but I've never used more than 16 audio tracks.

Considering the above, is 16GB of ram enough for my needs?

thanks
Do you have 16GB now? How much is maximum in you computer?
I decided to go with 16GB.

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Distorted Horizon
KVRAF
3429 posts since 17 Jan, 2017 from Planet of cats

Re: 16GB or 32GB of ram?

Post Wed Feb 26, 2020 7:15 am

sluggo wrote:
Wed Feb 26, 2020 6:52 am
Daimonicon wrote:
Wed Feb 26, 2020 6:23 am
sluggo wrote:
Tue Feb 18, 2020 10:12 am
Pretty much all of my work I use vst softsynths which may include 2 plugins that use audio libraries: Guru drum sampler and StylusRMX. I've also used a sampler with bass samples. Other than that, I don't really use a sampler. At some point I may bounce some tracks but I've never used more than 16 audio tracks.

Considering the above, is 16GB of ram enough for my needs?

thanks
Do you have 16GB now? How much is maximum in you computer?
I decided to go with 16GB.
But you need 32!

And a new synth.

Elektronisch
Banned
3902 posts since 3 Feb, 2010

Re: 16GB or 32GB of ram?

Post Wed Feb 26, 2020 7:27 am

sluggo wrote:
Tue Feb 18, 2020 10:12 am
Pretty much all of my work I use vst softsynths which may include 2 plugins that use audio libraries: Guru drum sampler and StylusRMX. I've also used a sampler with bass samples. Other than that, I don't really use a sampler. At some point I may bounce some tracks but I've never used more than 16 audio tracks.

Considering the above, is 16GB of ram enough for my needs?

thanks
You know your needs so you decide yourself

But i think for your needs you need 64gb of ram and olives with cheese :clown:

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Synthman2000
KVRian
647 posts since 27 Apr, 2016

Re: 16GB or 32GB of ram?

Post Wed Feb 26, 2020 2:22 pm

Headphone output the same noise ?

Not sure if this is relevant, I presume you are on W10 on the new machine.

https://www.native-instruments.com/foru ... rs.270104/

Very commonly noise issues vanish once balanced connections are in place but obviously with RCA's
that won't be happening. You have not got input mode set for turntables, which is routed/monitored directly to the outputs by any chance ? I know, clutching at straws here.

What is the noise character ? Constant hum, hiss and hum, chirping ? (old modem kind of sounds) along with CPU load etc.

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9556 posts since 14 Jun, 2001 from Somewhere else, on principle

Re: 16GB or 32GB of ram?

Post Wed Feb 26, 2020 4:24 pm

BertKoor wrote:
Tue Feb 18, 2020 12:34 pm
Without Kontakt and such, I'd say you could get by with only 8 GB. Only just...
I get by with 8GB and Kontakt just fine. Seriously, I've never noticed my RAM usage going over about 50%. To be fair, it's not something I go looking at on a regular basis but I have checked it out of curiosity on occasion and it's been fine. If you've got an SSD, you won't even notice if it starts working from a paging file so it really doesn't matter and 16GB will be plenty now and for the future.
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sluggo
KVRian
653 posts since 31 May, 2002 from chez moi

Re: 16GB or 32GB of ram?

Post Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:43 pm

Synthman2000 wrote:
Wed Feb 26, 2020 2:22 pm
Headphone output the same noise ?

Not sure if this is relevant, I presume you are on W10 on the new machine.

https://www.native-instruments.com/foru ... rs.270104/

Very commonly noise issues vanish once balanced connections are in place but obviously with RCA's
that won't be happening. You have not got input mode set for turntables, which is routed/monitored directly to the outputs by any chance ? I know, clutching at straws here.

What is the noise character ? Constant hum, hiss and hum, chirping ? (old modem kind of sounds) along with CPU load etc.
Hiss and hum, slightly static-y. The noise changes as the mouse scrolls, etc. This happens even if my LCD monitor is powered off.

The headphone sound is clean. Doesn't matter if my monitors are plugged in or not, if my lcd monitor is on or not, etc.

I installed my DAW, turned down the built-in windows audio mixer for my output channel and then played a couple of notes. The sound was maxed out. On my master out in the DAW I have to set the fader down near the bottom. The Audio 8 DJ driver doesn't come with its own software mixer.

Adjusting the windows audio mixer does not change the volume of the noise.

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Synthman2000
KVRian
647 posts since 27 Apr, 2016

Re: 16GB or 32GB of ram?

Post Thu Feb 27, 2020 5:40 am

Sounds very much like an earth based/grounding/PSU issue to me. Without balanced I/O it may not be resolveable.

Kaine
KVRAF
1928 posts since 4 Nov, 2004 from Manchester

Re: 16GB or 32GB of ram?

Post Thu Feb 27, 2020 7:30 am

Synthman2000 wrote:
Thu Feb 27, 2020 5:40 am
Sounds very much like an earth based/grounding/PSU issue to me. Without balanced I/O it may not be resolveable.
Agreed on this. The outputs for the Audio 8 look to unbalanced and the Focusrite should be balanced, so if they have different results, that's your answer.

There is something like an "ART DTI" box that would probably fix it through ground lifting and convet to a balanced signal if you really need it to work.

dellboy
KVRian
1200 posts since 28 Mar, 2007

Re: 16GB or 32GB of ram?

Post Thu Feb 27, 2020 7:40 am

I have 32 GB of ram so that I can load big sample libraries into Kontakt.

Only I never bother to do that and Kontakt just sits there gloating.

And then I use my hardware synths all the time and play in live to audio or midi.

And I could do that years ago onto multiple tracks with less than 1 GB of ram and with a 32 bit operating system.

But 64 GB is progress.

Isn't it ?

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wetdentist
KVRian
530 posts since 19 Jan, 2008 from Bethlehem, PA USA

Re: 16GB or 32GB of ram?

Post Thu Feb 27, 2020 7:44 am

i have 16gb, and it is often not enough
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sluggo
KVRian
653 posts since 31 May, 2002 from chez moi

Re: 16GB or 32GB of ram?

Post Fri Feb 28, 2020 10:09 pm

Kaine wrote:
Thu Feb 27, 2020 7:30 am
Agreed on this. The outputs for the Audio 8 look to unbalanced and the Focusrite should be balanced, so if they have different results, that's your answer.

There is something like an "ART DTI" box that would probably fix it through ground lifting and convet to a balanced signal if you really need it to work.
The Audio 8 does have a ground plug, it's designed for the phono input. I'd guess that it's a common ground for the whole interface. If I knew of a safe way to hack a cable from the plug to the ground on my powerbar I would try it. Well, I guess I could buy a 3 prong plug end and only connect a wire to the ground, plug it into the powerbar and run the wire up to the ground plug on the interface and see what happens.

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Synthman2000
KVRian
647 posts since 27 Apr, 2016

Re: 16GB or 32GB of ram?

Post Sun Mar 01, 2020 1:34 pm

I would leave the mains electric exactly as it is, don't be tempted to tamper with it at all.

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