dellboy wrote: ↑
Tue Feb 11, 2020 5:51 am
If you live in a small flat with no available space then a laptop and VSTs along with a small controller is the only viable option.
I dunno, I live on a yacht and I've got five hardware synths plus a controller in my set-up.
Robmobius wrote: ↑
Tue Feb 11, 2020 6:08 am
I think HW sounds better than software overall.
You are wrong.
chk071 wrote: ↑
Tue Feb 11, 2020 6:09 am
Every now and then, I think about getting a piece of hardware. Pretty quickly, reality grasps myself again.
Lack of space, cables, no multiple instances of the synth, bouncing, tedious programming, unless you buy a expensive hardware synth with a decent knob for function ratio... and, on some hardware synths you don't even have patch memory. On the plus side, there is the hands on factor, and probably also the fact that you will spend more time learning the machine inside out, because you paid a lot of money for it, and, it simply is more motivation to work on something tangible.
None of those negative factors need to be true. You can buy good hardware synths that aren't a whole lot more expensive than a good softsynth. IK's Uno is awesome, as is Modal's Craft Synth 2, and both of them are cheaper than VPS Avenger. Of course, neither of them are in the same league as Avenger but you don't buy them for the same reasons so that kind of comparison is pointless.
vurt wrote: ↑
Tue Feb 11, 2020 7:27 am
well so long as its acoustic or battery powered. my modular is shit without a plug. laptops however...
Most of my hardware can either run on batteries - Uno, Skulpt, Craft and Roli Blocks - or is USB powered - Ultranova and KeyStep (Roli, too). MicroMonsta and Analog Four are the only hardware synths I need power for.
lfm wrote: ↑
Tue Feb 11, 2020 8:18 pm
I prefer physical knobs and buttons - and the convenience of just one power button to sit down and play a bit. Just more accessible.
I'm sorry but that's just bullshit. The only power button I need to switch on is my laptop. Once it's on, so is everything else. OTOH, each of my hardware synths has a power button and so does the mixer. That's at least half-a-dozen more power buttons to press.
The alternative is mouse click-fest, and no fun at all.
Only in your mind. Having to reach across to use the physical controls on my hardware is way, way more hassle than moving a mouse a few cm. Trying to get the lighting right so I can read labels, etc. makes it even worse. Even the worst softsynth GUI is better than hardware.
And best part - physical gear have second hand value - software does not have that, really.
I have always lost more money selling things second-hand than I have ever spent on any single plugin, which means I could give old plugins away and still be better off than I am when I sell hardware. In fact, for that very reason it has never even occurred to me to sell any of my software licenses.
zerocrossing wrote: ↑
Tue Feb 11, 2020 9:10 pm
I remember recreating a patch from my 002 on Diversion, and I pretty much nailed it... but the oversampling had to be so high that I could only get a few notes of polyphony.
Have you got a Modal 002? Wow, I don't know anyone with any of their big synths. I don't think you can even buy them locally here.
Or a synth like ArcSyn that has a modulation sequencer that’s nothing like anything hardware on the market. Or anything by Sugar Bytes.
Vortifex wrote: ↑
Sat Feb 15, 2020 5:33 am
When I used to have hardware many years ago I enjoyed the experience of making music more than I do now with a PC and DAW.
Seriously!?! I'd rather pass another kidney stone than ever have to work exclusively on hardware again. It is just so limiting compared to working ITB.
deastman wrote: ↑
Sat Feb 15, 2020 10:50 am
I guess I find it more enjoyable at the end of a long day to sit down and interact with a physical object.
How are a laptop and a mouse not physical objects?
Anyway, a lot of bogus garbage on both sides. I have hardware because I'm old and set in my ways and I just like having a few hardware synths around. There is no possible justification for it - hardware doesn't sound any better, it isn't any more immediate and absolutely everything is better done in software. I accept that, embrace it even, but I still like having hardware for just noodling around, developing ideas.
As soon as an idea gets to the stage where I think it might actually be something, though, I move it straight into my laptop and turn it into a song there because I know it will be a much better song in every way if I do it in software. How do I know? Easy, in software I have way more options available to get the best possible result in the shortest timeframe. In the end, what matters to me is having finished songs to perform on stage so I will always take the easiest route to that end, having no intrinsic interest whatsoever in the process.