NI have announced they will no longer activate discontinued products

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

If you are prepared to bolt on a 15-year marriage at the first sniff of trouble, perhaps you need to just avoid getting into relationships
It's been two days. Why not wait to see how they handle things now the consumers have spoken?

read my post, there are already a number of things that annoy me with Komplete.
NI lost their edge years ago, I am mainly using Komplete because I am used to it by now.
This was just the last drop in the bucket.

My apologies! I just skimmed your post, as it seemed to be just another knee-jerk reaction.

[whyterabbyt]

Are ppl really complaining about this ? KVR is a bizarre place sometimes.

Some long discontinued products and everyone here had the chance to update/crossgrade/upgrade many, many times already. Don't blame NI, blame your own greedy a** for not spending a few bucks for updates for some old products, for at least the last 10 years.

Many of the alleged crossgrades you're talking about would have been to non-Kontakt, proprietary products. Would you like to explain where the greed comes in with regard to not seeing a need to pay hundreds of dollars to change to a different sample engine, when I could continue using the sample libraries I already owned.
Are you so devoid of intellect that you're arguing that not automatically paying for any crossgrade a company offers, whether you need it or not, is greed?
Are you pretending that crossgrading to a different product would somehow protect you against the library being obsoleted? That the proprietary engine would offer a longer lifespan than the product you were already using?

I guess so. Do you even know how long that crossgrade was actually available, or how much it cost?

Nah.

[audiot]

But perhaps we should stop feeding the trolls...

... says the guy, who is omnipresent at the kvr forum, posting things like:

Menno! Mimimi...

self-reflection is not one of your strengths, right?

[fmr]

But perhaps we should stop feeding the trolls...

... says the guy, who is omnipresent at the kvr forum, posting things like:

Menno! Mimimi...

self-reflection is not one of your strengths, right?

[monomaker]

The EULA seems pretty legally clear cut to me, perhaps a class action suit could be brought against them (after the EU Representative Actions Directive is enacted due to the nature/value of the claim, but the case could be built prior). Let's see how they respond but there are options for recourse even if they'd take some time.

I bought a product, not a lease; you'd have to be pretty stupid to buy from a company who reneges on it's own terms and conditions. I hope they come to their senses, I find it hard to believe they couldn't implement one of the many solutions posited so far, or indeed the one that NI suggested in their EULA (a license key that doesn't require activation).

[V0RT3X]

When You buy a licence to use a product, I think it says in the EULA that the company holds the right to make a change at any given time.

[DrGonzo]

I find it hard to believe they couldn't implement one of the many solutions posited so far, or indeed the one that NI suggested in their EULA (a license key that doesn't require activation).

That would indeed be the most proper solution, but I don't think that would be easy at all.

We are talking about old software that ran old older codebase, using old operating systems. It's not just that they can load the code into their compiler, set it to max Windows XP / Mountain Lion (or whatever) compatibility and export it. It wouldn't surprise me if they don't even have computers around that supports the old compilers. Then take that X all the different products they are axing. I don't see easy at all, I see a bloody nightmare.

When Redmatica got gobbled up by Apple, they released one last version with a special unlock key that doesn't require internet checking. But that was easier because they just ended the support with the last version. Not many many many years later.

/C

[kenny saunders]

Nobody expects lifetime support, but you should be able to install software that you own. And in the case of sample libraries I really dont get it

You can still install them, and after May 31st you'll still be able to install them. They just won't be able to be authorized, so they would either run in demo mode, or not run at all.

ha, clearly the point is that they are unuseable, how did that post make it out of your head? Do you honestly think people want to simply install libraries without ever wanting to use them?

[dionenoid]

Are ppl really complaining about this ? KVR is a bizarre place sometimes.

Some long discontinued products and everyone here had the chance to update/crossgrade/upgrade many, many times already. Don't blame NI, blame your own greedy a** for not spending a few bucks for updates for some old products, for at least the last 10 years.

not seeing a need to pay hundreds of dollars to change to a different sample engine, when I could continue using the sample libraries I already owned.

Thanx for proving my point

[TheMaestro]

Lol. I have codec_spurt blocked (only users I have blocked here BTW...), so, I didn't bother to open his reply to me yet.

I didn't say you made things up, by the way. It's just that everyone can be wrong, and, I wasn't sure if you actually tried it. Fair enough.

Funny you should say that, as you've been nothing but wrong in this thread.
Your only "solution" left is warez. That alone should disqualify you from ever posting in this topic again.

[chk071]

You have some kind of grudge against me? Get off my back please.

[whyterabbyt]

Are ppl really complaining about this ? KVR is a bizarre place sometimes.

Some long discontinued products and everyone here had the chance to update/crossgrade/upgrade many, many times already. Don't blame NI, blame your own greedy a** for not spending a few bucks for updates for some old products, for at least the last 10 years.

not seeing a need to pay hundreds of dollars to change to a different sample engine, when I could continue using the sample libraries I already owned.

Thanx for proving my point

Go on then, explain 'greed' in terms of 'not buying something I dont need just because it exists'.

You know, without the puerile trolling.

[TheMaestro]

You have some kind of grudge against me? Get off my back please.

I have a grudge against stupidity. Deal with it.

[AnX]

5. Should Native Instruments, for whatever reasons, no longer be able to fulfill its obligations to deliver the activation key, it will provide Licensee with a key which ensures the continued use of the licensed software independent of changes to the computer.

...means that legally they have to figure something out here. Looks like them just dropping it really can't be legal.

does that cover discontinued products tho?

[fmr]

5. Should Native Instruments, for whatever reasons, no longer be able to fulfill its obligations to deliver the activation key, it will provide Licensee with a key which ensures the continued use of the licensed software independent of changes to the computer.

...means that legally they have to figure something out here. Looks like them just dropping it really can't be legal.

does that cover discontinued products tho?

As long as they prevent people to use them, I guess it does. Discontinuing a product just means it will no longer be available for sale. Ending support means company cannot be legally responsible for any problems arising from its use. But preventing people from using the mentioned products?... I don't see how that can be contained in any EULA clause