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Forgotten · Post by **Forgotten** » Wed Mar 11, 2020 11:33 pm

Broken wrote: Wed Mar 11, 2020 11:31 pm Any software NI are no longer going to support should have the CP removed and be offered for free download.

They are a business, not a charity...

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Wed Mar 11, 2020 11:39 pm

Forgotten wrote: Wed Mar 11, 2020 11:33 pm
Broken wrote: Wed Mar 11, 2020 11:31 pm Any software NI are no longer going to support should have the CP removed and be offered for free download.
They are a business, not a charidee...

ftfy..

nice! not arf!

Forgotten · Post by **Forgotten** » Wed Mar 11, 2020 11:41 pm

vurt wrote: Wed Mar 11, 2020 11:39 pm
Forgotten wrote: Wed Mar 11, 2020 11:33 pm
Broken wrote: Wed Mar 11, 2020 11:31 pm Any software NI are no longer going to support should have the CP removed and be offered for free download.
They are a business, not a charidee...
ftfy..

nice! not arf!

Time for Bachman Turner Overdrive!

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Wed Mar 11, 2020 11:44 pm

mumpcake · Post by **mumpcake** » Wed Mar 11, 2020 11:46 pm

Outside of the libraries, how many people are truly affected by this? I have been using Komplete for over 10 years and the only things on that list that I even have are B4 II and Pro-53, and neither of them is 64 bit compatible.

dionenoid · Post by **dionenoid** » Wed Mar 11, 2020 11:47 pm

Sascha Franck wrote: Wed Mar 11, 2020 7:37 pm Ok, let's be very serious here for once.

I'll quote this from your EULA again:
Should Native Instruments for whatever reasons no longer be able to fulfill its obligations to deliver the activation key, it will provide the Licensee with a key which ensures the continued use of the software independent of changes of the computer.

That's nowhere in the latest EULA. You can find it here :
https://www.native-instruments.com/en/c ... agreement/

They changed it after Native Access was introduced if i'm not mistaken, and a few times after that.

Broken · Post by **Broken** » Wed Mar 11, 2020 11:49 pm

mumpcake wrote: Wed Mar 11, 2020 11:46 pm Outside of the libraries, how many people are truly affected by this? I have been using Komplete for over 10 years and the only things on that list that I even have are B4 II and Pro-53, and neither of them is 64 bit compatible.

Not many, that's why I say just pull the CP and put a download link in the accounts of those users. It's not like that would suddenly take away from future sales, though it would be good for NI's reputation.

glokraw · Post by **glokraw** » Thu Mar 12, 2020 12:07 am

EvilDragon wrote: Wed Mar 11, 2020 11:16 pm they know their back-end and API better than we do.

This assumes 'they' are still Native Instruments employees

It seems to me that the eula in place at the moment of purchase,
cannot legally be scrapped by the seller. Lawyers and coders are
expensive. Competition is fierce. Haggling over ancient products
seems totally counterproductive. Why not just make the old products
which NI has control of, part of the very nice holiday gifts?

Cheers

rewthless · Post by **rewthless** » Thu Mar 12, 2020 12:25 am

It seems NI don't care about software preservation at all so why should I care about them. Good luck to those effected - hopefully it turns out alright in the end.

EnGee · Post by **EnGee** » Thu Mar 12, 2020 12:26 am

EvilDragon wrote: Wed Mar 11, 2020 8:25 pm Of course it does, you cannot expect them to go back and manually hack over 60 products (most of which won't even install on latest Macs, for example) and stop the presses on everything else. That is not the only way to resolve this.

Really?! Is that how NI coders work?!
It's a call for one function passing it parameters. This function depending on an algorithm, gives a result and then passing this result to the user. It runs on the server side, make it run locally!
But do you have this code? Do you have capable coders want to work with that? Or do you (the CEO) have the will to pay for that change? This is the latest question is the real question. Now try to cover this with a Trump style won't convince us! You (the CEO) are just deceiving yourself. No, we are not stupid!

highkoo · Post by **highkoo** » Thu Mar 12, 2020 12:31 am

Forgotten wrote: Wed Mar 11, 2020 11:33 pm
Broken wrote: Wed Mar 11, 2020 11:31 pm Any software NI are no longer going to support should have the CP removed and be offered for free download.
They are a business, not a charity...

But, in the cases of these products, their business is concluded, no?
They have their money, the customer has their purchase, and now one side of that equation is being left empty, with no more 'business' to be had....

jacqueslacouth · Post by **jacqueslacouth** » Thu Mar 12, 2020 12:38 am

Didn't Steinberg do that some years ago...just released a couple of their old synths for free...if my memory serves me (and I am the first to admit its haziness) a couple of their staff even did a bit of work on them, gratis, to bring them forward a bit...

digitalboytn · Post by **digitalboytn** » Thu Mar 12, 2020 12:39 am

This could get very interesting...

Because the EULA is legally binding at the time of sale, then both sides of the agreement have to abide by it...

Should Native Instruments for whatever reasons no longer be able to fulfill its obligations to deliver the activation key, it will provide the Licensee with a key which ensures the continued use of the software independent of changes of the computer.

The EULA clearly states that NI will provide continued support for the product,so that is what they are legally required to do...

Apparently the EULA's have been altered somewhat over the years,but what matters is the one that was in place at the point of accepting the agreement...

Matt from NI is suggesting that they may offer "incentives" to affected customers who choose to waive their rights and absolve NI of any legal responsibility to uphold the original EULA...

What will be interesting,is that the original EULA is legally binding and NI are required to abide by it...

Some customers may accept the "incentives" offered by NI while other affected customers are within their legal rights not to...

That's going to be the messy bit

bharris22 · Post by **bharris22** » Thu Mar 12, 2020 12:56 am

Again, seems to me that the EULA language is clear, and that if NI chooses not to abide by it, that would be the result of a pure business calculation that it is cheaper to defend against any possible lawsuit than continue to activate these products.

digitalboytn · Post by **digitalboytn** » Thu Mar 12, 2020 12:59 am

You are hired Mr Harris...

Do you work pro bono ?

NI have announced they will no longer activate discontinued products