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EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Thu Mar 12, 2020 6:43 pm

Nobody is "blatantly bragging", though?

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Thu Mar 12, 2020 6:47 pm

not up for discussion

Echoes in the Attic · Post by **Echoes in the Attic** » Thu Mar 12, 2020 6:49 pm

EvilDragon wrote: Thu Mar 12, 2020 6:43 pm Nobody is "blatantly bragging", though?

Or anyone linking to or asking about. I don't see what these warnings were referring to. Obviously cracks are going to be mentioned in a case like this.

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Thu Mar 12, 2020 6:51 pm

because I have deleted such posts saying to use cracks and this thread is prone to going in that direction...stopping it before it stops. ibtl

Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Thu Mar 12, 2020 6:52 pm

noiseboyuk wrote: Thu Mar 12, 2020 6:21 pm Conversely, this is precisely why I'm optimistic. I think NI have taken the ethical point to heart more than the legal one. Maybe it is not pure altruism but rather just thinking of keeping customers pacified, but either way the message I get from Matt is that "yes, we see your point and its a perfectly fair one".

You can see it both ways. The other way would be to say "well, they tried to get away with it in the first place". And it wouldn't be for the first time.

AnX · Post by **AnX** » Thu Mar 12, 2020 6:55 pm

Cinebient · Post by **Cinebient** » Thu Mar 12, 2020 6:56 pm

Who is NI?

Calenberger · Post by **Calenberger** » Thu Mar 12, 2020 7:09 pm

Covid-19 is devastating the current life worldwide and the hottest topic here is activating 20 year old software...

Matt_NI · Post by **Matt_NI** » Thu Mar 12, 2020 7:12 pm

noiseboyuk wrote: Thu Mar 12, 2020 6:21 pm
omac wrote: Thu Mar 12, 2020 6:09 pm There's been a lot of back and forth over here about what is legal. I'm probably showing my age when I say I remember that discussions of this type used to be about what was ethical. This discussion all condenses to "will I be able to use my old software that I purchased in the future after I reformat my computer or buy a new one? If the answer to that is no then I feel that NI has broken faith with me. That is the core of this discussion. I feel that as long as I'm running my admittedly old OS that runs my NI software then I should be able to use my software regardless of its age.
Conversely, this is precisely why I'm optimistic. I think NI have taken the ethical point to heart more than the legal one. Maybe it is not pure altruism but rather just thinking of keeping customers pacified, but either way the message I get from Matt is that "yes, we see your point and its a perfectly fair one".

That's the point I was trying to make early on indeed. As I said, we naively thought this wasn't going to impact a lot of people based on data and we probably took the wrong steps to change what we need to address. Still time to work on it.

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Thu Mar 12, 2020 7:15 pm

Calenberger wrote: Thu Mar 12, 2020 7:09 pm Covid-19 is devastating the current life worldwide and the hottest topic here is activating 20 year old software...

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machinesworking · Post by **machinesworking** » Thu Mar 12, 2020 7:21 pm

Sascha Franck wrote: Thu Mar 12, 2020 6:52 pm
noiseboyuk wrote: Thu Mar 12, 2020 6:21 pm Conversely, this is precisely why I'm optimistic. I think NI have taken the ethical point to heart more than the legal one. Maybe it is not pure altruism but rather just thinking of keeping customers pacified, but either way the message I get from Matt is that "yes, we see your point and its a perfectly fair one".
You can see it both ways. The other way would be to say "well, they tried to get away with it in the first place". And it wouldn't be for the first time.

pretty much why even though I've been a customer forever, I'm not a fan of the company. They offer you great products at discount rates, but if you plan on using them for more than 5-10 years, you're going to be disappointed.
I might be special in the sense that I've been constantly burned, but this is my experience-

Bought Komplete 2, great stuff, saving Reaktor crashing on OS X for years.

Bought Komplete Care- NI's subscription plan in 2005, they released nothing new in 2005. After much backlash in 2006 they came through even though Komplete Care had "run out".

Bought Kore- Discontinued, because they believed the code to be too messy to fix, and Maschine was going to "replace" Kore. Vouchers for Maschine, which amount to the Summer sale really. I thought it would be a great MPC like drum sequencer. To this day it still has no time signature changes in it's "song" timeline.

Bought Rig Kontrol- discontinued, and apparently it's a cheap component in the audio card that is "preventing" NI from updating the card, so the audio card doesn't work, and NI decided not to support it in Controller Editor anymore, so future versions of your OS will kill Rig Kontrols MIDI functionality as well. They still sell Guitar Rig, but refuse "are unable" to support their dedicated controller.

In the mean time, Pro 53, Spectral Delay, Kompact, Intakt, Akoustic and Elektric Piano, B4 all discontinued..

I'm not sure why anyone is surprised that NI are attempting to blame their own code on their decision to continue their scorched earth policies? They've accumulated a history of doing this exact thing. Expect the solution to be vouchers, because a sale is a sale!

Cinebient · Post by **Cinebient** » Thu Mar 12, 2020 7:55 pm

I must say i does not welcome this but i´m not effected at all and i wonder if the voice here is just the common forum users which in reality makes indeed just a small part of the customers.
But then i also saw on V.I.Control some composers "raving" about it since they use 10+ years old libraries and still need them for editing old themes in new ways and similar things.
If they would finally make a modern GUI in Kontakt i will buy into them again. Yes, i know also "old code" is the apologize here but dumb customers like me do not care and at the same time want endless support and feels not good to read such a thread here on top. I mean i mainly like NI FX these days, otherwise there isn´t something groundbreaking to see. I still need Kontakt for a lot of my third party libraries but i see some of them already slowly migrating to their own players. Its a hard life for developers.

Sindikhate · Post by **Sindikhate** » Thu Mar 12, 2020 8:11 pm

machinesworking wrote: Thu Mar 12, 2020 7:21 pm
I'm not sure why anyone is surprised that NI are attempting to blame their own code on their decision to continue their scorched earth policies? They've accumulated a history of doing this exact thing. Expect the solution to be vouchers, because a sale is a sale!

Yes it seems like a common case of destroy->rebuild.

Why can't they move all that stuff to Native Access without offering support for them, but make it possible to install? I still use pro53 in 2020!! I love this thing. B4 II is great too!

EnGee · Post by **EnGee** » Thu Mar 12, 2020 8:25 pm

I'm moving on

Going to replace Reaktor with Bazille, Zebra and some Image Line synths I already own.
I don't use Kontakt (rarely), so it's easy to let Komplete go

NI Midi controllers for sale as well and life is still good with my trusty nektar P4 and a Casio keyboard

machinesworking · Post by **machinesworking** » Thu Mar 12, 2020 8:30 pm

EnGee wrote: Thu Mar 12, 2020 8:25 pm I'm moving on Going to replace Reaktor with Bazille, Zebra and some Image Line synths I already own.
I don't use Kontakt (rarely), so it's easy to let Komplete go
NI Midi controllers for sale as well and life is still good with my trusty nektar P4 and a Casio keyboard

Kontakt, I use all the time. Reaktor is great as well. I probably will end up just updating those 2, Absynth isn't getting any updates, Brian has moved on. I've kept Maschine, because the resale value of Maschine Studio is nonexistent, I would guess because people are expecting for it to become unsupported soon enough.

NI have announced they will no longer activate discontinued products