Why were some of my songs a different key/mode than i intended

[thecontrolcentre]

@ Thecontrolcentre.

I understand: keep practicing the keyboard, i've got some way to go, i'm not there yet.

Sorry for being stroppy.

no sweat

What's the reason for wanting to know the key. If it sounds good it is good imho. If what you play sounds wrong it probably is. Ibcame to keyboards a few years after learning guitar, so I had an idea about what chords for what key. I'm no keyboard player tho'. I have to practise whatever I'm playing (a lot) ... experiment with your music. It should be fun. Don't get too hung up on theory. This stuff takes years

[The Noodlist]

Free midi and audio chord analysers.
https://miraxlabs.com/open-source/

[vurt]

... experiment with your music. It should be fun. Don't get too hung up on theory. This stuff takes years

2 sound pieces of advice!

takes a big person to apologise for being "stroppy" too.
try to chill a bit though, now more than ever, the people on the other end are probably going to be a bit stressed, everyone is.

so everyone...

if we can all relax a bit while we are here together though, we can help each other through these trying times

[thecontrolcentre]

[vurt]

im high as f**k

[empphryio]

When you're not dealing with guitars, violins, etc trying to play the music, does the key really matter other than major/minor? I only bother with a few keys. Sometimes they're accidentally major instead of minor. But otherwise my hands are used to a few keys. I have never bothered transposing because it's equal temperament so one would think it shouldn't matter.

So why does c sharp minor sound so distinct? Moonlight Sonata, Chopin c# minor nocturne, Rachmaninoff's prelude, even at least the one Bach WTC fugue (considered his best by many). And many modern songs i like when I bother to figure out the key.

And I just love improvising in it. And find improvising in others far less enjoyable. But I ought to transpose out of it at least and see how that sounds. C sharp must be the perfect vibrational for me (and others considering how iconic those pieces) or at least close to it. Maybe a few hertz up or down might be even better.

Rarely used in classical because very difficult for many instruments. Probably the same for guitar... though I don't know guitar well enough to say.

I don't think it's a coincidence that so many of the most popular classical pieces are in a rarely used key.

[Spring Goose]

When you're not dealing with guitars, violins, etc trying to play the music, does the key really matter other than major/minor? I only bother with a few keys. Sometimes they're accidentally major instead of minor. But otherwise my hands are used to a few keys. I have never bothered transposing because it's equal temperament so one would think it shouldn't matter.

So why does c sharp minor sound so distinct? Moonlight Sonata, Chopin c# minor nocturne, Rachmaninoff's prelude, even at least the one Bach WTC fugue (considered his best by many). And many modern songs i like when I bother to figure out the key.

And I just love improvising in it. And find improvising in others far less enjoyable. But I ought to transpose out of it at least and see how that sounds. C sharp must be the perfect vibrational for me (and others considering how iconic those pieces) or at least close to it. Maybe a few hertz up or down might be even better.

Rarely used in classical because very difficult for many instruments. Probably the same for guitar... though I don't know guitar well enough to say.

I don't think it's a coincidence that so many of the most popular classical pieces are in a rarely used key.

Thanks for your contributing to my thread.

[Spring Goose]

Thanks everybody!

[Spring Goose]

I wasn't realising my full potential, but thecontrolcentre has put me onto the right path, so a special big thanks to thecontrolcentre!!

[Spring Goose]

Thanks Meffy.

[jancivil]

Key detection software produces mistakes, it has no ear nor anything to guide it in terms of context. It’s a crutch and a very unreliable one.
One does not use a crutch in learning to walk in the first place.

People hate me for the frankness of the statement, but one needs to become at least a little bit of a musician before embarking on a path of trying to write music. Job number one is getting your ear together. If you don’t know what your own key is, you’re just flailing about uselessly.

This kind of effort is a bit like thinking you can write prose with no grammar or syntax to draw from.

[jancivil]

That said, there are musics which don’t use ‘keys’, but say a modal thing is also going to have a ‘tonal center’ or ‘tonic’ and you simply have to know relationships from a coherent basis.

Experiment wildly afaic, but to write a song is a matter of craft, isn’t it.

[Forgotten]

Key detection software produces mistakes, it has no ear nor anything to guide it in terms of context. It’s a crutch and a very unreliable one.
One does not use a crutch in learning to walk in the first place.

Agreed. Time and time again we see people make incorrect statements about keys and chord names, only to find out that they used software to determine the answer.

It’s definitely unreliable beyond working on very basic material, so I would definitely recommend learning how to make these determinations yourself.

[vurt]

That said, there are musics which don’t use ‘keys’, but say a modal thing is also going to have a ‘tonal center’ or ‘tonic’ and you simply have to know relationships from a coherent basis.

Experiment wildly afaic, but to write a song is a matter of craft, isn’t it.

hey now, look what bandit dragged in

while youre here, which mode do i use over gm?
glad to see the apocalypse hasnt got you

[vurt]

Key detection software produces mistakes, it has no ear nor anything to guide it in terms of context. It’s a crutch and a very unreliable one.
One does not use a crutch in learning to walk in the first place.

Agreed. Time and time again we see people make incorrect statements about keys and chord names, only to find out that they used software to determine the answer.

It’s definitely unreliable beyond working on very basic material, so I would definitely recommend learning how to make these determinations yourself.

so what software do you recommend?