Studying music is the most serious way of having fun
What are good modes/scales for writing dark heavy electronic srtuff?
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- KVRAF
- 5093 posts since 30 Aug, 2012 from Sweden
Nah, playing and making music is the most serious way of having fun. Studying music, that's like reading about sex and not practicing it.
- KVRAF
- 11162 posts since 16 Mar, 2003 from Porto - Portugal
Practicing IS studyingDaimonicon wrote: Thu Mar 19, 2020 7:53 pmNah, playing and making music is the most serious way of having fun. Studying music, that's like reading about sex and not practicing it.![]()
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Practicing sex IS studying sex (unless you do always the same thing, in which case it will become pretty boring after a while)
Now that I think of it - this also applies to music. If you don't study, you will end doing always the same thing, and it becomes pretty boring after a while too
Fernando (FMR)
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- Banned
- 2524 posts since 4 Jul, 2019
Rather than thinking in terms of scales, think in terms of intervals. Find intervals of two and three notes that you like and then use them. Dont think you have to layer tracks using the same intervals or scales or even tuning - you might, but then again you might not.
- addled muppet weed
- 111244 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
worlds about to end, may as well try something newfmr wrote: Thu Mar 19, 2020 7:56 pmPracticing IS studyingDaimonicon wrote: Thu Mar 19, 2020 7:53 pmNah, playing and making music is the most serious way of having fun. Studying music, that's like reading about sex and not practicing it.![]()
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Practicing sex IS studying sex (unless you do always the same thing, in which case it will become pretty boring after a while)
Now that I think of it - this also applies to music. If you don't study, you will end doing always the same thing, and it becomes pretty boring after a while too![]()
may i suggest an angry unicorn and a little sounding
(if you don't know, don't poogle...)
- addled muppet weed
- 111244 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
use one as foreplay obvs.
- vvvvvvv
- 2595 posts since 24 Oct, 2000 from skelmersdale, west lancs, uk
For dark heavy basses play in C# Minor
ie, mostly hit the black notes, throwing in white notes wherever it feels heavy, grungy, foul, or just plain rotten to do so.
C# Minor is an overlooked beauty, and v easy to play in. It's not technical, and it's hard to make "a mistake".
It's right down at the bottom of the keyboard, making most synth bass tones sound really shit, in a good way.
Add a souped-up 808-ish kick for added thudding beef
- throw in a dark growly scary zzzzzz towards the end of an 8 or 16 bar sequence
- and you've got dark n heavy
ie, mostly hit the black notes, throwing in white notes wherever it feels heavy, grungy, foul, or just plain rotten to do so.
C# Minor is an overlooked beauty, and v easy to play in. It's not technical, and it's hard to make "a mistake".
It's right down at the bottom of the keyboard, making most synth bass tones sound really shit, in a good way.
Add a souped-up 808-ish kick for added thudding beef
- throw in a dark growly scary zzzzzz towards the end of an 8 or 16 bar sequence
- and you've got dark n heavy
Member 12, Studio One Pro 7, VPS Avenger, Kontakt 8, Spitfire, Sonible, Baby Audio, CableGuys. Recent best buy - EZ Drummer 3 with Bandmate
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- Banned
- 2524 posts since 4 Jul, 2019
this makes no sense to me at all - the relations between notes in C# minor are exactly the same as for D minor (or any other minor).kevvvvv wrote: Thu Mar 19, 2020 10:16 pm For dark heavy basses play in C# Minor
ie, mostly hit the black notes, throwing in white notes wherever it feels heavy, grungy, foul, or just plain rotten to do so.
C# Minor is an overlooked beauty, and v easy to play in. It's not technical, and it's hard to make "a mistake".
It's right down at the bottom of the keyboard, making most synth bass tones sound really shit, in a good way.
Add a souped-up 808-ish kick for added thudding beef
- throw in a dark growly scary zzzzzz towards the end of an 8 or 16 bar sequence
- and you've got dark n heavy![]()
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- KVRAF
- 7824 posts since 20 Jan, 2008
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- KVRAF
- 11000 posts since 15 Apr, 2019 from Nowhere
D minor is the saddest of all keys though...fairlyclose wrote: Fri Mar 20, 2020 2:26 amthis makes no sense to me at all - the relations between notes in C# minor are exactly the same as for D minor (or any other minor).kevvvvv wrote: Thu Mar 19, 2020 10:16 pm For dark heavy basses play in C# Minor
ie, mostly hit the black notes, throwing in white notes wherever it feels heavy, grungy, foul, or just plain rotten to do so.
C# Minor is an overlooked beauty, and v easy to play in. It's not technical, and it's hard to make "a mistake".
It's right down at the bottom of the keyboard, making most synth bass tones sound really shit, in a good way.
Add a souped-up 808-ish kick for added thudding beef
- throw in a dark growly scary zzzzzz towards the end of an 8 or 16 bar sequence
- and you've got dark n heavy![]()
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- Banned
- 2524 posts since 4 Jul, 2019
- KVRAF
- 11162 posts since 16 Mar, 2003 from Porto - Portugal
Are you serious? This is a video full of that rubbish mumbo-jumbo I was talking about. Absolutely ridiculous.
First, that "double harmonic major scale" he is talking about is nothing else than the hispano-arabic MODE (it's not a "scale" its a mode) I mentioned. And it is well known in the Iberian Peninsula for centuries.
Second, that "exercize" he is making, of playing the very same mode starting from different notes, is absolutely stupid. A mode isn't solely characterized by the interval relationship between the different degrees, it is also characterized by the POLAR NOTES. Therefore, if you are in hispano-arabic mode in C, you have C and G as polar notes. If you change the polar notes, you are changing to something else, but not necessarily the way he is implying.
BTW - The "hungarian minor" is the Gypsy Mode I also referred. Yes, it may also be called that, but it wil be misleading because Hungary had two very different people and cultures - the bohemians and the magyares, which were and still are the majority. To the bohemian region later came the Romani, now called bohemian romani (gypsies). This mode is characteristic of their culture and music (but not of the westerner romani, namely the ones in the Iberian Peninsula, which mainly adopted the hispano-arabic mode). So, calling "hungarian" to this mode is somehow misleading, because the magyaraes and the native bohemians usually didn't use it, AFAIK.
The widely famous Hungarian Rhapsody nr.2 of Liszt, which calls for this mode, is also sometimes called "Gypsy Rhapsody" for the exact same reason. The Bohemian Romani were a very musical people, and have a very rich musical tradition.
There are other names that I never heard about, and I suspect are purely inventions he came up with. Ultraphrygian, Ionian Augmented, Locrian double flat 3, double flat 7 (is this a thing?). WTF is he talking about? He makes music look like Quantic Physics - it's NOT.
This is a very primitive and naive way of looking into music, and it amazes me people dare to publish videos like this, and nobody says anything about it.
Then came a piece that contains some beautiful passages (but also some pianistic "cadenzas" that are completely out of place, IMO) but which could be analysed in a much simpler way.
The title refers the "Darkest Scale Ever". Is he talking about the hispano-arabic mode? Why is it the "darkest ever"? ( I ommit the term "scale" because, as I also already explained, scale is ANY succession of notes, so technically it shouldn't be applied to modes or tonalities). Talking about a mode as dark, or sad, or joyful, etc. is again misleading. MUSIC may be called that, but it can be that no matter the material it was built with. Remember that this mode is also used in flamenco music - can we call flamenco "dark"?
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