What are good modes/scales for writing dark heavy electronic srtuff?

Chords, scales, harmony, melody, etc.
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Forgotten wrote: Thu Mar 19, 2020 6:59 pm
vurt wrote: Thu Mar 19, 2020 6:53 pm
Forgotten wrote: Thu Mar 19, 2020 6:50 pm I think what he posted is part of most curricula for study of music in any academic institute and most serious books.
i better eff off then ...
Muzik iz serious busines
Studying music is the most serious way of having fun :wink:
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fmr wrote: Thu Mar 19, 2020 7:21 pm
Forgotten wrote: Thu Mar 19, 2020 6:59 pm
vurt wrote: Thu Mar 19, 2020 6:53 pm
Forgotten wrote: Thu Mar 19, 2020 6:50 pm I think what he posted is part of most curricula for study of music in any academic institute and most serious books.
i better eff off then ...
Muzik iz serious busines
Studying music is the most serious way of having fun :wink:
Nah, playing and making music is the most serious way of having fun. Studying music, that's like reading about sex and not practicing it. :ud: :hihi:

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Daimonicon wrote: Thu Mar 19, 2020 7:53 pm
fmr wrote: Thu Mar 19, 2020 7:21 pm
Forgotten wrote: Thu Mar 19, 2020 6:59 pm
vurt wrote: Thu Mar 19, 2020 6:53 pm
Forgotten wrote: Thu Mar 19, 2020 6:50 pm I think what he posted is part of most curricula for study of music in any academic institute and most serious books.
i better eff off then ...
Muzik iz serious busines
Studying music is the most serious way of having fun :wink:
Nah, playing and making music is the most serious way of having fun. Studying music, that's like reading about sex and not practicing it. :ud: :hihi:
Practicing IS studying :D

Practicing sex IS studying sex (unless you do always the same thing, in which case it will become pretty boring after a while) :hihi:

Now that I think of it - this also applies to music. If you don't study, you will end doing always the same thing, and it becomes pretty boring after a while too :o
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Rather than thinking in terms of scales, think in terms of intervals. Find intervals of two and three notes that you like and then use them. Dont think you have to layer tracks using the same intervals or scales or even tuning - you might, but then again you might not.

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fmr wrote: Thu Mar 19, 2020 7:56 pm
Daimonicon wrote: Thu Mar 19, 2020 7:53 pm
fmr wrote: Thu Mar 19, 2020 7:21 pm
Forgotten wrote: Thu Mar 19, 2020 6:59 pm
vurt wrote: Thu Mar 19, 2020 6:53 pm
Forgotten wrote: Thu Mar 19, 2020 6:50 pm I think what he posted is part of most curricula for study of music in any academic institute and most serious books.
i better eff off then ...
Muzik iz serious busines
Studying music is the most serious way of having fun :wink:
Nah, playing and making music is the most serious way of having fun. Studying music, that's like reading about sex and not practicing it. :ud: :hihi:
Practicing IS studying :D

Practicing sex IS studying sex (unless you do always the same thing, in which case it will become pretty boring after a while) :hihi:

Now that I think of it - this also applies to music. If you don't study, you will end doing always the same thing, and it becomes pretty boring after a while too :o
worlds about to end, may as well try something new ;)

may i suggest an angry unicorn and a little sounding :)

(if you don't know, don't poogle...)
:ud:

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vurt wrote: Thu Mar 19, 2020 8:45 pm may i suggest an angry unicorn and a little sounding
At the same time?

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use one as foreplay obvs.
:ud:

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vurt wrote: Thu Mar 19, 2020 8:56 pm use one as foreplay obvs.
I was going to say...how would you keep your hand steady enough...?

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For dark heavy basses play in C# Minor

ie, mostly hit the black notes, throwing in white notes wherever it feels heavy, grungy, foul, or just plain rotten to do so.

C# Minor is an overlooked beauty, and v easy to play in. It's not technical, and it's hard to make "a mistake".

It's right down at the bottom of the keyboard, making most synth bass tones sound really shit, in a good way.

Add a souped-up 808-ish kick for added thudding beef

- throw in a dark growly scary zzzzzz towards the end of an 8 or 16 bar sequence

- and you've got dark n heavy :hihi:
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kevvvvv wrote: Thu Mar 19, 2020 10:16 pm For dark heavy basses play in C# Minor

ie, mostly hit the black notes, throwing in white notes wherever it feels heavy, grungy, foul, or just plain rotten to do so.

C# Minor is an overlooked beauty, and v easy to play in. It's not technical, and it's hard to make "a mistake".

It's right down at the bottom of the keyboard, making most synth bass tones sound really shit, in a good way.

Add a souped-up 808-ish kick for added thudding beef

- throw in a dark growly scary zzzzzz towards the end of an 8 or 16 bar sequence

- and you've got dark n heavy :hihi:
this makes no sense to me at all - the relations between notes in C# minor are exactly the same as for D minor (or any other minor).

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fairlyclose wrote: Fri Mar 20, 2020 2:26 am
kevvvvv wrote: Thu Mar 19, 2020 10:16 pm For dark heavy basses play in C# Minor

ie, mostly hit the black notes, throwing in white notes wherever it feels heavy, grungy, foul, or just plain rotten to do so.

C# Minor is an overlooked beauty, and v easy to play in. It's not technical, and it's hard to make "a mistake".

It's right down at the bottom of the keyboard, making most synth bass tones sound really shit, in a good way.

Add a souped-up 808-ish kick for added thudding beef

- throw in a dark growly scary zzzzzz towards the end of an 8 or 16 bar sequence

- and you've got dark n heavy :hihi:
this makes no sense to me at all - the relations between notes in C# minor are exactly the same as for D minor (or any other minor).
D minor is the saddest of all keys though...

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Forgotten wrote: Fri Mar 20, 2020 2:53 am D minor is the saddest of all keys though...
Yep:

Doing nothing is only fun when you have something you are supposed to do.

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Dirtgrain wrote: Fri Mar 20, 2020 3:04 am
Forgotten wrote: Fri Mar 20, 2020 2:53 am D minor is the saddest of all keys though...
Yep:

too sad - I cant even get past the first couple of seconds without weeping uncontrollably

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tapper mike wrote: Fri Mar 20, 2020 2:27 am
Are you serious? This is a video full of that rubbish mumbo-jumbo I was talking about. Absolutely ridiculous.

First, that "double harmonic major scale" he is talking about is nothing else than the hispano-arabic MODE (it's not a "scale" its a mode) I mentioned. And it is well known in the Iberian Peninsula for centuries.

Second, that "exercize" he is making, of playing the very same mode starting from different notes, is absolutely stupid. A mode isn't solely characterized by the interval relationship between the different degrees, it is also characterized by the POLAR NOTES. Therefore, if you are in hispano-arabic mode in C, you have C and G as polar notes. If you change the polar notes, you are changing to something else, but not necessarily the way he is implying.

BTW - The "hungarian minor" is the Gypsy Mode I also referred. Yes, it may also be called that, but it wil be misleading because Hungary had two very different people and cultures - the bohemians and the magyares, which were and still are the majority. To the bohemian region later came the Romani, now called bohemian romani (gypsies). This mode is characteristic of their culture and music (but not of the westerner romani, namely the ones in the Iberian Peninsula, which mainly adopted the hispano-arabic mode). So, calling "hungarian" to this mode is somehow misleading, because the magyaraes and the native bohemians usually didn't use it, AFAIK.

The widely famous Hungarian Rhapsody nr.2 of Liszt, which calls for this mode, is also sometimes called "Gypsy Rhapsody" for the exact same reason. The Bohemian Romani were a very musical people, and have a very rich musical tradition.

There are other names that I never heard about, and I suspect are purely inventions he came up with. Ultraphrygian, Ionian Augmented, Locrian double flat 3, double flat 7 (is this a thing?). WTF is he talking about? He makes music look like Quantic Physics - it's NOT.

This is a very primitive and naive way of looking into music, and it amazes me people dare to publish videos like this, and nobody says anything about it.

Then came a piece that contains some beautiful passages (but also some pianistic "cadenzas" that are completely out of place, IMO) but which could be analysed in a much simpler way.

The title refers the "Darkest Scale Ever". Is he talking about the hispano-arabic mode? Why is it the "darkest ever"? ( I ommit the term "scale" because, as I also already explained, scale is ANY succession of notes, so technically it shouldn't be applied to modes or tonalities). Talking about a mode as dark, or sad, or joyful, etc. is again misleading. MUSIC may be called that, but it can be that no matter the material it was built with. Remember that this mode is also used in flamenco music - can we call flamenco "dark"?
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