What are good modes/scales for writing dark heavy electronic srtuff?

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Forgotten wrote: Fri Mar 20, 2020 2:53 am D minor is the saddest of all keys though...
Look how sad this sounds :hihi:
Fernando (FMR)

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fmr wrote: Fri Mar 20, 2020 9:12 am
Forgotten wrote: Fri Mar 20, 2020 2:53 am D minor is the saddest of all keys though...
Look how sad this sounds :hihi:
it is unethical to distrubute such misery - but imagine the devastation if you transposed it down the C# minor

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fairlyclose wrote: Fri Mar 20, 2020 10:21 am
fmr wrote: Fri Mar 20, 2020 9:12 am
Forgotten wrote: Fri Mar 20, 2020 2:53 am D minor is the saddest of all keys though...
Look how sad this sounds :hihi:
it is unethical to distrubute such misery - but imagine the devastation if you transposed it down the C# minor
It woud become "impossibly dark" :hihi:

Especially because, since many baroque organs (as well as the instruments in general) were tuned with the A at 415 Hz (meaning approximately half tone lower than today) a D would effectively sound like a C# nowadays.
Fernando (FMR)

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fmr wrote: Fri Mar 20, 2020 10:28 am
fairlyclose wrote: Fri Mar 20, 2020 10:21 am
fmr wrote: Fri Mar 20, 2020 9:12 am
Forgotten wrote: Fri Mar 20, 2020 2:53 am D minor is the saddest of all keys though...
Look how sad this sounds :hihi:
it is unethical to distrubute such misery - but imagine the devastation if you transposed it down the C# minor
It woud become "impossibly dark" :hihi:

Especially because, since many baroque organs (as well as the instruments in general) were tuned with the A at 415 Hz (meaning approximately half tone lower than today) a D would effectively sound like a C# nowadays.
this must be why modern tuning is higher - safety. Note that European population increased significantly after standardisation on A440. Coincidence?

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Locrian mode.

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tony10000 wrote: Mon Mar 23, 2020 8:58 am Locrian mode.
Really? Now, I would love you to elaborate on the "locrian" :lol: Really curious about it. :wink:
Fernando (FMR)

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stygian is fairly dark.
if its more techno type stuff though id use cylonian.
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vurt wrote: Mon Mar 23, 2020 12:43 pm stygian is fairly dark.
if its more techno type stuff though id use cylonian.
Chthulian is the darkest, but you only ever use it once...

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cthulian is only ever whispered.
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Erich Zann is the only person I’ve heard of who used it...

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i nearly recorded an eric zann cover recently.
obviously, that cant really exist, but i was going to add it in the title :lol:
see if anyone picked up on it :hihi:
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Minor, Phrygian?

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fmr wrote: Mon Mar 23, 2020 9:23 am
tony10000 wrote: Mon Mar 23, 2020 8:58 am Locrian mode.
Really? Now, I would love you to elaborate on the "locrian" :lol: Really curious about it. :wink:
Very unstable with that flat 5. Good video on it:


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tony10000 wrote: Tue Mar 24, 2020 11:27 am Very unstable with that flat 5. Good video on it:

Badly analysed, IMO. He just lost me when he started by saying that "Locrian is the seven mode of the major scale" - that's pure rubbish. Modes don't "belong" to Major, since Major is a mode itself. That's blatant ignorance. And there is no "major scale". There is a major MODE, and a minor MODE, and in each one we may have a lot of TONALITIES, one for each key the mode starts in.

A "scale" is just a succession of notes, and we may have pretty much ANY scale within a mode/tonality.

The melody just spans four notes. And he is just looking at a couple of bars of the verse. He even admits that, when the music reaches the chorus, it goes away from that (so much for the locrian theory) :hihi: .

Truth is: There was never a Locrian mode. It was a purely theoretical construction first mentioned by Glareanus in his Dodecachordon treaty, but never observed in actual musical practice. As I said, by the time Glareanus published his treaty, the entire modal system was already transitioning to the tonal system anyway.

Which brings us to the main question: How do you analyse a song or a piece of music? You have to take it as a whole, ot at least complete sections. You cannot analyse just a couple of bars, and take that as the whole.

It would be like analysing the Mona Lisa by looking at a small fragment of the landscape painted behind the figure, if you know what I mean.
Fernando (FMR)

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Excluded from the church modes because of the tritone...the devil's interval.

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