About Learning time signatures & rhythm pattern for noobs

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msf sadib
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Post Thu Apr 02, 2020 9:45 am

Hi I think I've got moderate grasp at scales & chord theory.But I'm still bad at the theory of time signatures,measures,bars & rhythmic patterns to make them work in a harmony.Please feel free to share your knowledge regarding that & also leave some affiliated links of youtube that you think that might make things easier for me to grasp

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DJ Warmonger
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Post Thu Apr 02, 2020 10:02 am

Well, for EDM rhytms there is 4/4 "four to the floor" to drive the track, and there are euclidean rhytms. Can't go wrong with these:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oP1z5hTJoqE

So I followed this tutorial, dropped some 9/16 and 5/16 sequences and here is the resulting track:

https://open.spotify.com/track/2gE5VZ8mBeO9FinUMxLISl

African drums are 16/16 patterns from NI West Africa, with some edits.
Last edited by DJ Warmonger on Thu Apr 02, 2020 11:19 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Tricky-Loops wrote: (...)someone like Armin van Buuren who claims to make a track in half an hour and all his songs sound somewhat boring(...)

msf sadib
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Re: About Learning time signatures & rhythm pattern for noobs

Post Thu Apr 02, 2020 4:53 pm

DJ Warmonger wrote:
Thu Apr 02, 2020 10:02 am
Well, for EDM rhytms there is 4/4 "four to the floor" to drive the track, and there are polyrhythms. Can't go wrong with these:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAPph7-oBi8

So I followed this tutorial, dropped some 9/16 and 5/16 sequences and here is the resulting track:

https://open.spotify.com/track/2gE5VZ8mBeO9FinUMxLISl

African drums are 16/16 patterns from NI West Africa, with some edits.
Thanks mate!

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Forgotten
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Post Thu Apr 02, 2020 5:19 pm

Polyrhythms don’t have to be one time signature superimposed on another though. It’s far more common that the rhythms that make up a polyrhythm have the same meter.

Polyrhythm occurs most often when tuplets are used in a time signature such as 4/4. Essentially you have a ratio of beats other than 4:4. You might have 4:6 or 4:9, etc.

Quite honestly, I wouldn’t start with polyrhythm if I were you; just focus on simple meters to start, then work your way to other concepts.

msf sadib
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Post Thu Apr 02, 2020 10:36 pm

Forgotten wrote:
Thu Apr 02, 2020 5:19 pm
Polyrhythms don’t have to be one time signature superimposed on another though. It’s far more common that the rhythms that make up a polyrhythm have the same meter.

Polyrhythm occurs most often when tuplets are used in a time signature such as 4/4. Essentially you have a ratio of beats other than 4:4. You might have 4:6 or 4:9, etc.

Quite honestly, I wouldn’t start with polyrhythm if I were you; just focus on simple meters to start, then work your way to other concepts.
Where should I start then? Can you recommend me a sequence of topic that I should learn step by step?

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DJ Warmonger
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Post Thu Apr 02, 2020 11:19 pm

Damn, I meant euclidean rhythms. Post edited.
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Tricky-Loops wrote: (...)someone like Armin van Buuren who claims to make a track in half an hour and all his songs sound somewhat boring(...)

tapper mike
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Post Fri Apr 03, 2020 12:19 am

You don't have to go to the ends of the earth to apply rhythmic values.

If you intellectually understand a scale however you can't perform that scale in time then you don't know the scale as well as you should. The same goes for harmony. If you cannot change chords on the beat then you cannot grasp harmonic motion or chord changes. It is less of an intellectual pursuit as it is a physical one.

All that being said. Three things you need to understand. (know through experiencing it by practicing)
The first thing you need to understand is the value of a note.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFAcDynQdeQ

If you can't clap your hands or tap your feet or play your instrument to the note value all is lost.
As not all songs have the same tempo you need to understand what happens to those notes when a different tempo is applied.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSZLnpKm4bM

Thirdly you need to know the fundementals of Time Signature.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixm4R7hG-pk

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Post Fri Apr 03, 2020 4:19 am

Mike is right, timing is really important, particularly when learning to read music (as you suggested in another thread). Getting the simple concepts under your belt is important, but practicing to read music requires a good basic sense of timing.

Start with a piece in C Major in 4/4. Look for music that has primarily quarter notes so that you can count 1-2-3-4 easily - this really help when learning to recognize notes on a staff, as you have less things to focus on.

Move on to eighth notes by introducing “and” into your count: 1-and-2-and-3-and-4-and, where both the number and the word “and” are notes. Then work on rests.

You can move on to other keys slowly, starting with those that have few sharps or flats. You can also start working on other simple time signatures like 3/4 (1-2-3 count).

I would suggest getting a beginner book rather than YouTube though, especially if you can find one with some simple written music to start with.

msf sadib
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Post Fri Apr 03, 2020 10:48 pm

Forgotten wrote:
Fri Apr 03, 2020 4:19 am
Mike is right, timing is really important, particularly when learning to read music (as you suggested in another thread). Getting the simple concepts under your belt is important, but practicing to read music requires a good basic sense of timing.

Start with a piece in C Major in 4/4. Look for music that has primarily quarter notes so that you can count 1-2-3-4 easily - this really help when learning to recognize notes on a staff, as you have less things to focus on.

Move on to eighth notes by introducing “and” into your count: 1-and-2-and-3-and-4-and, where both the number and the word “and” are notes. Then work on rests.

You can move on to other keys slowly, starting with those that have few sharps or flats. You can also start working on other simple time signatures like 3/4 (1-2-3 count).

I would suggest getting a beginner book rather than YouTube though, especially if you can find one with some simple written music to start with.
Any affordable e-book you might want to suggest?

msf sadib
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Re: About Learning time signatures & rhythm pattern for noobs

Post Fri Apr 03, 2020 10:49 pm

tapper mike wrote:
Fri Apr 03, 2020 12:19 am
You don't have to go to the ends of the earth to apply rhythmic values.

If you intellectually understand a scale however you can't perform that scale in time then you don't know the scale as well as you should. The same goes for harmony. If you cannot change chords on the beat then you cannot grasp harmonic motion or chord changes. It is less of an intellectual pursuit as it is a physical one.

All that being said. Three things you need to understand. (know through experiencing it by practicing)
The first thing you need to understand is the value of a note.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFAcDynQdeQ

If you can't clap your hands or tap your feet or play your instrument to the note value all is lost.
As not all songs have the same tempo you need to understand what happens to those notes when a different tempo is applied.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSZLnpKm4bM

Thirdly you need to know the fundementals of Time Signature.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixm4R7hG-pk
Thanks a lot mike! Much appreciated :love:

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Forgotten
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Post Sat Apr 04, 2020 7:55 am

msf sadib wrote:
Fri Apr 03, 2020 10:48 pm
Forgotten wrote:
Fri Apr 03, 2020 4:19 am
Mike is right, timing is really important, particularly when learning to read music (as you suggested in another thread). Getting the simple concepts under your belt is important, but practicing to read music requires a good basic sense of timing.

Start with a piece in C Major in 4/4. Look for music that has primarily quarter notes so that you can count 1-2-3-4 easily - this really help when learning to recognize notes on a staff, as you have less things to focus on.

Move on to eighth notes by introducing “and” into your count: 1-and-2-and-3-and-4-and, where both the number and the word “and” are notes. Then work on rests.

You can move on to other keys slowly, starting with those that have few sharps or flats. You can also start working on other simple time signatures like 3/4 (1-2-3 count).

I would suggest getting a beginner book rather than YouTube though, especially if you can find one with some simple written music to start with.
Any affordable e-book you might want to suggest?
Don’t know if the various Alfred or Hanon books are available as ebooks, but I would recommend the series of physical books (I would far rather have a physical book to put on the music stand on my piano).

msf sadib
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Post Sun Apr 05, 2020 1:51 am

Forgotten wrote:
Sat Apr 04, 2020 7:55 am
msf sadib wrote:
Fri Apr 03, 2020 10:48 pm
Forgotten wrote:
Fri Apr 03, 2020 4:19 am
Mike is right, timing is really important, particularly when learning to read music (as you suggested in another thread). Getting the simple concepts under your belt is important, but practicing to read music requires a good basic sense of timing.

Start with a piece in C Major in 4/4. Look for music that has primarily quarter notes so that you can count 1-2-3-4 easily - this really help when learning to recognize notes on a staff, as you have less things to focus on.

Move on to eighth notes by introducing “and” into your count: 1-and-2-and-3-and-4-and, where both the number and the word “and” are notes. Then work on rests.

You can move on to other keys slowly, starting with those that have few sharps or flats. You can also start working on other simple time signatures like 3/4 (1-2-3 count).

I would suggest getting a beginner book rather than YouTube though, especially if you can find one with some simple written music to start with.
Any affordable e-book you might want to suggest?
Don’t know if the various Alfred or Hanon books are available as ebooks, but I would recommend the series of physical books (I would far rather have a physical book to put on the music stand on my piano).
I'm from Bangladesh.and I don't think I would find :( that sort of physical book in country :( .Any other suggestion?

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Forgotten
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Post Sun Apr 05, 2020 8:22 am

Can you order one online?

yellowmix
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Post Sun Apr 05, 2020 10:57 am

Could get an ebook and if it's possible to print, print it out. Just put something stiff behind it like a clipboard so it can stand up (and stay in place)

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harryupbabble
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Post Sun Apr 05, 2020 11:17 am

Forgotten wrote:
Sat Apr 04, 2020 7:55 am

(I would far rather have a physical book to put on the music stand on my piano).
wowee, you have a piano. and the space for it. is it a white piano?

https://youtu.be/YkgkThdzX-8
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