Linear Fade Volume Plugin?

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fifty1fifty
KVRer
19 posts since 9 Jan, 2012

Post Fri May 22, 2020 6:25 am

Hey guys just wonder what other plugins offer a true linear volume fader, so far the only one i've found to do it properly is

Bob Perry's Crossfader
https://youtu.be/Q4WwKUP1kY8

MogwaiBoy
KVRAF
3413 posts since 26 Nov, 2015 from Way Downunder

Re: Linear Fade Volume Plugin?

Post Fri May 22, 2020 2:53 pm

Fade or crossfade? I think you mean crossfade because literally everything else does normal linear fades.

I believe there's Melda's free "MRatio" too and Blue Cat's free "Gain Suite".

I guess there's not many 3rd party options because most DAWs do it?

fifty1fifty
KVRer
19 posts since 9 Jan, 2012

Re: Linear Fade Volume Plugin?

Post Fri May 22, 2020 8:38 pm

MogwaiBoy wrote:
Fri May 22, 2020 2:53 pm
Fade or crossfade? I think you mean crossfade because literally everything else does normal linear fades.

I believe there's Melda's free "MRatio" too and Blue Cat's free "Gain Suite".

I guess there's not many 3rd party options because most DAWs do it?
No I actually mean fades

I use FL, they don't have true linear fades, only in their offline audio editor and one of their filter plugins, but the filter plugin causing abit of phase distortion during the fade

I tried MRatio, their linear option still doesn't produce a true linear fade?

I'll Blue Cat's a go!

Here's a pic to explain abit better: All automation done with a straight line
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fifty1fifty
KVRer
19 posts since 9 Jan, 2012

Re: Linear Fade Volume Plugin?

Post Fri May 22, 2020 8:52 pm

Blue Cat's didn't work, not a true linear fade either

ReverendLove
KVRist
176 posts since 3 Dec, 2009 from Cologne, Germany

Re: Linear Fade Volume Plugin?

Post Sat May 23, 2020 11:40 am

Try Purestgain by airwindows.

MogwaiBoy
KVRAF
3413 posts since 26 Nov, 2015 from Way Downunder

Re: Linear Fade Volume Plugin?

Post Sat May 23, 2020 1:05 pm

Ah, now I get it. This is a good experiment. I think the stock fader in FL Studio (and other DAWs) will do that when automated with a linear line because they give you more travel/precision around the top of the fader's travel. Or maybe I have it around the other way...

Try some free high-precision faders with extended range (-200db)

- DMG TrackControl
- Sonalksis FreeG

And Purestfade!
http://www.airwindows.com/purestfade/

Pics please :)

fifty1fifty
KVRer
19 posts since 9 Jan, 2012

Re: Linear Fade Volume Plugin?

Post Sun May 24, 2020 1:30 am

MogwaiBoy wrote:
Sat May 23, 2020 1:05 pm
Ah, now I get it. This is a good experiment. I think the stock fader in FL Studio (and other DAWs) will do that when automated with a linear line because they give you more travel/precision around the top of the fader's travel. Or maybe I have it around the other way...

Try some free high-precision faders with extended range (-200db)

- DMG TrackControl
- Sonalksis FreeG

And Purestfade!
http://www.airwindows.com/purestfade/

Pics please :)
FL's fader is a log style curve.
Purestfade only goes down to -40db

I have all of those other plugs too and none of them do it!! Haha its mind boggling why a plugin developer has not created just some simple options in a gain plugin like curve type
- True Linear
- Log ect

The ONLY plugin i have found to truly do it was Bob Perry's Crossfader but the plugin has some glitches in of its parameter IntA & IntB, guessing some sort of initialize mode that does a hard take over of a link controller every time the fader is moved

I'll post the pix in a sec

fifty1fifty
KVRer
19 posts since 9 Jan, 2012

Re: Linear Fade Volume Plugin?

Post Sun May 24, 2020 1:46 am

All automation was done with a straight linear line from unity to their lowest value
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v1o
KVRAF
2192 posts since 2 Oct, 2004

Re: Linear Fade Volume Plugin?

Post Sun May 24, 2020 2:02 am

What do you intend to do with a truly linear volume fade?
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BlitBit
KVRist
320 posts since 28 Nov, 2013 from Germany

Re: Linear Fade Volume Plugin?

Post Sun May 24, 2020 2:19 am

I guess it's because human hearing is not linear and linear fades would sound rather "unnatural". Of course you could use it as an effect. It would be simple to code up a linear fader because you'd just have to multiply the signal with the current value of the fader, let's say between 0 and 1.

Please also note that the graphical representation of FL will only tell you if something is linear if the Y scale of the wave representation in FL is linear itself.
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fifty1fifty
KVRer
19 posts since 9 Jan, 2012

Re: Linear Fade Volume Plugin?

Post Sun May 24, 2020 2:35 am

v1o wrote:
Sun May 24, 2020 2:02 am
What do you intend to do with a truly linear volume fade?
Currently using bob perrys crossfader to change between multiple submix premasters with different levels of compression & a few other things

Bob Perry's Crossfader works well but it runs abit buggy so looking for a more stable plugin if available

fifty1fifty
KVRer
19 posts since 9 Jan, 2012

Re: Linear Fade Volume Plugin?

Post Sun May 24, 2020 2:41 am

BlitBit wrote:
Sun May 24, 2020 2:19 am
I guess it's because human hearing is not linear and linear fades would sound rather "unnatural". Of course you could use it as an effect. It would be simple to code up a linear fader because you'd just have to multiply the signal with the current value of the fader, let's say between 0 and 1.

Please also note that the graphical representation of FL will only tell you if something is linear if the Y scale of the wave representation in FL is linear itself.
Yeah like i said in my above post, its purpose for me is to achieve a equal gain crossfade.

Yeah graphical representation in FL is linear

I also done a null test and that further confirms that the linear line waveform is actually true (graph wise & signal wise)

Ploki
KVRAF
2251 posts since 17 Dec, 2009

Re: Linear Fade Volume Plugin?

Post Sun May 24, 2020 2:46 am

weird, when i want "equal gain" crossfade in logic i pick "Equal power" (EqP) option, not "linear" (X)...

MogwaiBoy
KVRAF
3413 posts since 26 Nov, 2015 from Way Downunder

Re: Linear Fade Volume Plugin?

Post Sun May 24, 2020 2:47 am

In FL Studio, why don't you add some 'Tension' (curved) between the points? Export different variations until you find the right tension point to approximate linearity of the fade.

Then you won't need a buggy 3rd party plugin and it'll cost $0 and 0% CPU.

Let me know what amount of Tension works best :)

fifty1fifty
KVRer
19 posts since 9 Jan, 2012

Re: Linear Fade Volume Plugin?

Post Sun May 24, 2020 3:21 am

MogwaiBoy wrote:
Sun May 24, 2020 2:47 am
In FL Studio, why don't you add some 'Tension' (curved) between the points? Export different variations until you find the right tension point to approximate linearity of the fade.

Then you won't need a buggy 3rd party plugin and it'll cost $0 and 0% CPU.

Let me know what amount of Tension works best :)
Haha yes of course i've already tried that, 15% gives probably the closest to a linear fade but its definitely not a true equal gain crossfade then. A simple null test confirms that.

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