Chords for Miyako Bushi scale

[jancivil]

“regular chords“... Like you just gotta put ketchup on yer teriyaki burger.

[MadBrain]

I've come across this scale called Miyako bushi scale.It's a Japanese scale. the notes from the C miyako Bushi scales are C Db D F G Ab A.How do I make regular chords from this sort of scale actually ?

Simple answer is, ya don’t. The best that can be done is an ersatz or kitschy appropriation of the exotic flavor, glommed onto a background antithetical to what it was that was desirable to appropriate.

There will be occasional exceptions, but where the scalar-based, linear ethnic whole sound is segregated or handled in arranging vis a vis a chord progression thing, which I have heard in certain of Anoushka Shankar’s original song-oriented material.

Hard disagree. The Japanese composers THEMSELVES write this kind of mixed up traditional-japanese instruments over western electric bass and jupiter 8's playing chords (usually basically harmonized just like European phrygian/minor/major key music), and they don't have any complexes over it. Yes, the result is usually Japanified European music, rather than Japanese music proper - you're forcing the music into the vice-grip of tonic-subdominant-dominant chord progressions and voice leading and chorus-verse. But the resulting Franken-music is quite catchy, so what's wrong with composing this way? Example:

[jancivil]

Yes, the result is usually Japanified European music, rather than Japanese music proper - you're forcing the music into the vice-grip of tonic-subdominant-dominant chord progressions and voice leading and chorus-verse.

pretty much illustrating my very point, but thanks for just gainsaying for no discernible point. Who's to say what’s “wrong”? I’m not acting as legislator. (Not sure that “catchy” is the most worthy criterion.)
What I said was the result is bound to be kitschy; and I qualified my own remarks with examples I know where the authenticity of an ‘ethnic’ scale is not necessarily marred by chords. This one is particularly problematic*

To be responsive to the matter before us is to consider the actual material; I know from definite experience that you’re liable to ruin the whole charm of this scale. (One is accustomed to the flavor of ketchup, so just stick with that? Why employ this scale, only to ruin its whole effect?)

(*: There are technical reasons for a no, here, which are pretty obvious. There is no third degree, for reason #1. To insist on the presence of that, you’ve decided in favor of something else.)

IME it's aesthetically distasteful, ie., compared to the richness inherent in the material it bastardizes and perverts and is probably done by someone only in it for the money.
No, I can't legislate this as a fact to be adhered to, it's like all opinions; you may disagree. The Argument Clinic sketch some more again: *this is merely gainsaying* (as opposed to affirming why distorting this scale to seem more normal to people lacking a wider experience of music is a good thing).


f**k you serial downvoters; you got a disagreement? Articulate it? Yeah, I know who you are and so do you.

I have removed Music Theory from my KVR feed altogether. Too much garbage to sort and it doesn't pay to care.

[MadBrain]

[...]Who's to say what’s “wrong”? I’m not acting as legislator. (Not sure that “catchy” is the most worthy criterion.)[...]

Wait. I don't get you. You're saying that:
- "ya don't" (do it)
- "It's ersatz"
- "It's kitschy"
- "It's appropriation"
- "It's glomming antithetical things together"

If you're not acting as a legislator... well, you could have fooled me there. If "who's to say what's wrong", well, why are you telling people that it's wrong in 5 different ways here? :3

[fmr]

[...]Who's to say what’s “wrong”? I’m not acting as legislator. (Not sure that “catchy” is the most worthy criterion.)[...]

Wait. I don't get you. You're saying that:
- "ya don't" (do it)
- "It's ersatz"
- "It's kitschy"
- "It's appropriation"
- "It's glomming antithetical things together"

If you're not acting as a legislator... well, you could have fooled me there. If "who's to say what's wrong", well, why are you telling people that it's wrong in 5 different ways here? :3

Well... She isn't exactly saying it's wrong, but that "she" finds it wrong viewed from those perspectives. At least, it's how I read it.

There is no such thing as right or wrong in music. I think we all got that by now. But there will always be things which taste is dubious, to say the least.

Regarding the subject of this thread, I really don't give a f**k. It's a matter of no interest to me. I just think that the OP started wrong, with an erronoeus interpretation of what he thought was a "japanese mode" and from then on, everything was just piling error over error. Typical of someone who resides exclusively on the Internet as a source.

[jancivil]

Legislation is lawmaking. If you want to do what the fvck ever, I won’t even be LOBBYING for new laws against it. If the OP or whoever ignores it or doesn’t get it, ok, no skin off me, I don’t have to listen.

You granted the point, but argue against the posts anyway.
I stand by the aesthetic distinctions I make. You don’t have to like any of it.

[vurt]

if we are going down the law route, can we deal with autotune first?
and maybe mumble rap.

[jancivil]

See, I never heard mumble rap and only heard of it here a couple days ago.



Where did I argue against “appropriation” per se?
No. I wrote *kitschy appropriation*.

[jancivil]

piano encyclopedia dot com is one of the worst sites out there, BTW. AVOID.

[vurt]

See, I never heard mumble rap and only heard of it here a couple days ago.

tbh, ive only heard the one track, here, it was enough.
i like hip hop and rap. but that was just saying the same thing over and over????

Where did I argue against “appropriation” per se?
No. I wrote *kitschy appropriation*.

no idea, said pretty much the same thing earlier, it sounds like a bastardised pastiche...
doesnt mean ill have you shot for doing it

[Forgotten]

See, I never heard mumble rap and only heard of it here a couple days ago.

Something tells me that being in ignorance of what it is can only be a good thing...

[vurt]

See, I never heard mumble rap and only heard of it here a couple days ago.

Something tells me that being in ignorance of what it is can only be a good thing...

darn tootin!

[jancivil]

Where did I argue against “appropriation” per se?
No. I wrote *kitschy appropriation*.

no idea, said pretty much the same thing earlier, it sounds like a bastardised pastiche...
doesnt mean ill have you shot for doing it

Rhetorical question. I know what I said, the qualification “kitschy” is meaningful.

[jancivil]

[...]Who's to say what’s “wrong”? I’m not acting as legislator. (Not sure that “catchy” is the most worthy criterion.)[...]

Wait. I don't get you. You're saying that:
- "ya don't" (do it)
- "It's ersatz"
- "It's kitschy"
- "It's appropriation"
- "It's glomming antithetical things together"

If you're not acting as a legislator... well, you could have fooled me there. If "who's to say what's wrong", well, why are you telling people that it's wrong in 5 different ways here?

Why are you making kitschy appropriation into two ways (IE: 'appropriation' is redundant), and making ersatz into a separate case than that? Why are your paraphrases in hard quotes? Why state a single thing as five things? Idiotic.
You came in here arguing for what you know is the kitsch, if only to gainsay me! And now only to cherry pick the word legislator, lacking any substantive actual disagreement, doubling down. I have not lobbied congress for laws here. F_O.

IDK, maybe some people actually prefer the kitschy result?
I’m reminded of Zappa in an interview: ‘Yes, disco sucks. But for the people that are into that, it’s divine.’

All of the remarks apply to the actual case presented in-thread. And, I was so careful that I qualified the remarks so that one would see that I was not making a broader argument against chords mixed with an ‘exotic’ scale type. But noooooooo.

European triadic harmony and this scale are objectively antithetical.

[ChameleonMusic]

Don't dis Mumble Rap...it's the future...

And the future is...incoherent and unintelligible!