Arp 2600: Who will do it right?

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Ingonator
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12423 posts since 21 Mar, 2008 from Hannover, Germany

Post Mon May 25, 2020 1:11 am

FWIW i got both the Arturia ARP 2600 V3 and TimewARP2600 here.

I had not used TimewARP2600 for a while but used an installer from 2017 (version 1.6) and the challenge/response authorizaion still seems to work properly. Got an automatic e-mail with the response code a few seconds after filling out the corresponding form at the Way Out Ware website.

Both plugins might sound exactly like the real thing but both seem to be quite nice. Sound wise TimewARP 2600 might be a bit better but that is just my opinion. What is sure that TimewARP 2600 could produce a seriously big low end which is lacking i many other softsynths. I just checked that again.

While the feature set of TimewARP 2600 is closer to the real thing the Arturia plugin has a bunch of advanced/additional features.
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Re: Arp 2600: Who will do it right?

Post Mon May 25, 2020 1:19 am

Behringer. :)
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filulilu
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81 posts since 27 Aug, 2009

Re: Arp 2600: Who will do it right?

Post Mon May 25, 2020 2:06 am

chk071 wrote:
Mon May 25, 2020 1:19 am
Behringer. :)
I have a question here.
Analog and Hardware are not some magic states where everything is good. There is such a thing as bad analog.

In order to make a hardware clone at a fraction of the cost of the original, one has to cut (lots of) corners. This will definitely have an impact on the sound. There is no way around it.

On the other hand isn't it more probable a software clone to approximate the sound of the original more successfully if the developer has sufficient talent and knowledge? Or CPUs are still not offering the necessary performance?
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chk071
KVRAF
24488 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany

Re: Arp 2600: Who will do it right?

Post Mon May 25, 2020 2:13 am

filulilu wrote:
Mon May 25, 2020 2:06 am
chk071 wrote:
Mon May 25, 2020 1:19 am
Behringer. :)
I have a question here.
Analog and Hardware are not some magic states where everything is good. There is such a thing as bad analog.

In order to make a hardware clone at a fraction of the cost of the original, one has to cut (lots of) corners. This will definitely have an impact on the sound. There is no way around it.
Couple of things: Behringer is a very big company manufacturing in China. The physical interfaces of their hardware is surely not on par with the original designs from the companies which originally manufactured those synths. The process of manufacturing those hardware synths is much more automatized now than it was back in the days.

All things relevant to keeping the price lower. If you're sceptical about the quality of their hardware, check reviews, and watch some videos. IMO, Behringer is doing a mighty good job with most of their hardware clones.
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Re: Arp 2600: Who will do it right?

Post Mon May 25, 2020 2:18 am

V0RT3X wrote:
Sun May 24, 2020 9:58 pm
Im kind of Hoping Korg will model it. I'd be willing to pay up to $149 for such a plugin if its done right.
+1
me too. Judging by ARP Odyssey, then the Korg one would be great. The problem is the CPU usage!

I like Artutia's one, but I don't think it is accurate especially the extreme filter range. It has the feel however, and it is inviting to play with :)

kritikon
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Re: Arp 2600: Who will do it right?

Post Mon May 25, 2020 2:23 am

2600 is more than likely on Korg's radar.

As for CS80 - I don't see the point. The whole thing about a CS80 was the playing nuances and the hands-on stuff it gave that no other synth gave. I'd rather have a CS60 or even lower, but done properly. Doing a s/w CS80 just seems a bit like doing it for the sake of nostalgia - I certainly wouldn't buy one no matter who coded it.

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1073 posts since 22 Sep, 2016

Re: Arp 2600: Who will do it right?

Post Mon May 25, 2020 2:29 am

filulilu wrote:
Mon May 25, 2020 2:06 am
chk071 wrote:
Mon May 25, 2020 1:19 am
Behringer. :)
I have a question here.
Analog and Hardware are not some magic states where everything is good. There is such a thing as bad analog.
The BARP (Behringer ARP) is afaik a cooperation between behringer and ARSynth, a little company specialized in analog. You can check out the videos on youtube and see yourself if it's "bad analog" or not.
May be - if we want th change the perspective - we learn through behringer that other analog synths are pretty much overpriced?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uY7WFWQ-Exc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkhYuS6vxGU

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pixel85
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677 posts since 11 Apr, 2008

Re: Arp 2600: Who will do it right?

Post Mon May 25, 2020 2:32 am

filulilu wrote:
Mon May 25, 2020 2:06 am
There is such a thing as bad analog.
There's plenty of people who would argue with that. Or would say that even bad analog is better than the best digital thing :)

I would say that some components from old synths are not even available anymore so it's impossible to make 1:1 replica no matter what (I'm not talking here about ARP specifically).

But who cares about the inside when in the outside it looks like the original hardware and is guaranteed by the producer to be a genuine clone? Every marketing is based on honesty after all and no one has ever been deceived by the nice look of the product :wink:
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My vote/wish would be on U-he although I doubt that they're interested in making one
don't use plugin/s in this topic! It has aliasing at -196dB and 60fps

chk071
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Re: Arp 2600: Who will do it right?

Post Mon May 25, 2020 2:32 am

I find the Behringer 2600 super fat sounding, from what I've heard so far in sound demos.
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Kwurqx
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575 posts since 15 Jun, 2017

Re: Arp 2600: Who will do it right?

Post Mon May 25, 2020 3:50 am

Not saying these are the best or even full emulations. Or even supporting 64-bit.
But hey, they're pretty decent and free...

Yamaha CS80

Krakli - Arminator / Arminator 2
http://www.krakliplugins.com/Plugins.aspx

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvLHm0HFwyk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImFvY5JdWF0

ARP 2600

Glen Stegner/Voltkitchen - Arppe2600VA
https://www.kvraudio.com/product/arppe2 ... oltkitchen
http://www.vst4free.com/free_vst.php?id=409

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PepkJFtRGyc

From the same developer

Moog - Minimoog
Glen Stegner/Voltkitchen - MinimogueVA
https://www.kvraudio.com/product/minimo ... oltkitchen
http://www.vst4free.com/free_vst.php?id=405

Echoes in the Attic
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8263 posts since 12 May, 2008

Re: Arp 2600: Who will do it right?

Post Mon May 25, 2020 4:07 am

ME80:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TR5toI- ... rw&index=2

Here's another one, somehow with a different skin. Not sure where that caem from:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99nHtL4 ... rw&index=2
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Echoes in the Attic
KVRAF
8263 posts since 12 May, 2008

Re: Arp 2600: Who will do it right?

Post Mon May 25, 2020 4:08 am

And here's the new 2600 modules for Voltage Modular. Haven't tested it myself:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpVojVt7Oy0

$29 not bad for the 2600 module and the Juno-106 module.
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sinemotor
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292 posts since 24 Dec, 2015

Re: Arp 2600: Who will do it right?

Post Mon May 25, 2020 4:48 am

u-he Bazille or NI Massive X ?

They aren't the 2600 emulation experience but you get the semi-modular design with the possibilities of current software technologies.

Echoes in the Attic
KVRAF
8263 posts since 12 May, 2008

Re: Arp 2600: Who will do it right?

Post Mon May 25, 2020 4:50 am

I'd like to see accurate arp 2600 modules for Reaktor Blocks. Already with the Moog and stock modules I think it is a pretty good alternative.
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pekbro
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Re: Arp 2600: Who will do it right?

Post Mon May 25, 2020 5:04 am

The Voltage Modular thing is pretty good I thought, cant really comment on authenticity.
Not sure I will buy it, VM is much better now for working with Eurorack imo, still I am
not super into spending money on it. The AMSynths stuff seems very good as well, probably
I'd rather have that stuff than the barp myself.

The TTSH is one I've considered as well.

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