need a stereo widener
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- Banned
- Topic Starter
- 1780 posts since 26 Aug, 2012
need something that dont produce no phasing issues. Also a short delay like the stock one in protools.
- Beware the Quoth
- 33159 posts since 4 Sep, 2001 from R'lyeh Oceanic Amusement Park and Funfair
wha tha eff are you talkin' bout mate? why do ya want somting like dat, pweepl? Save ya money! use your stock delay instead.
my other modular synth is a bugbrand
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Scarlet Pumpernickel Scarlet Pumpernickel https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=402106
- KVRist
- 239 posts since 30 Jul, 2017
There's Brainworx bx_stereomaker - it slices frequency spectrum in narrow "ribbons" and alternates them between L&R so it sums perfectly in mono.
Also there's lots of Leslie inspired plugins with Eventide Rotary Mod and Klevgrand Spinn being most recent one's.
Sometimes I just use mono to stereo reverb for this sort of task and maybe hype up the SIDE part of the tail - it nulls in mono but at least it doesn't smear it.
Also there's lots of Leslie inspired plugins with Eventide Rotary Mod and Klevgrand Spinn being most recent one's.
Sometimes I just use mono to stereo reverb for this sort of task and maybe hype up the SIDE part of the tail - it nulls in mono but at least it doesn't smear it.
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- addled muppet weed
- 105800 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
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- KVRAF
- 15135 posts since 7 Sep, 2008
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- KVRian
- 629 posts since 15 Jun, 2017
First of all: +1 for Imager
True, many "stereo wideners" mess with phase. This often means that summing/mixing back to mono will mess cause phase cancellations. So, you would be looking for one that is "mono-compatible"
Some only widen an existing stereo image (sort of stereo expander). Some can make stereo from mono.
There are many options, commercial and free. Some free examples:
A good and really simple to use free mono-compatible widener:
Infected Mushroom/Polyverse - Wider
https://www.kvraudio.com/product/wider- ... erse-music
On Delays. Delays create Phase differences (very few exceptions). L/R phase differences can be perceived as "width". See Haas effect. But Delays also cause Comb filter effects (when mixed back to mono).
Check some of the free Voxengo tools for Delay/Stereowidening or both. Each with it's own approach.
Sound Delay
https://www.voxengo.com/product/sounddelay/
Stereo Touch (Delay based)
https://www.voxengo.com/product/stereotouch/
Tempo Delay
https://www.voxengo.com/product/tempodelay/
MSED (Mid Side processor)
https://www.voxengo.com/product/msed/
OldSkoolVerb (Reverb=Delays. The user options give you access to the delay details)
https://www.voxengo.com/product/oldskoolverb/
Stereo Phaser and Chorus can also create/widen stereo, but often not Mono-compatible.
Melda Productions has some versatile free stuff too.
MSpectral Pan
https://www.meldaproduction.com/MSpectralPan
MStereo Expander
https://www.meldaproduction.com/MStereoExpander
True, many "stereo wideners" mess with phase. This often means that summing/mixing back to mono will mess cause phase cancellations. So, you would be looking for one that is "mono-compatible"
Some only widen an existing stereo image (sort of stereo expander). Some can make stereo from mono.
There are many options, commercial and free. Some free examples:
A good and really simple to use free mono-compatible widener:
Infected Mushroom/Polyverse - Wider
https://www.kvraudio.com/product/wider- ... erse-music
On Delays. Delays create Phase differences (very few exceptions). L/R phase differences can be perceived as "width". See Haas effect. But Delays also cause Comb filter effects (when mixed back to mono).
Check some of the free Voxengo tools for Delay/Stereowidening or both. Each with it's own approach.
Sound Delay
https://www.voxengo.com/product/sounddelay/
Stereo Touch (Delay based)
https://www.voxengo.com/product/stereotouch/
Tempo Delay
https://www.voxengo.com/product/tempodelay/
MSED (Mid Side processor)
https://www.voxengo.com/product/msed/
OldSkoolVerb (Reverb=Delays. The user options give you access to the delay details)
https://www.voxengo.com/product/oldskoolverb/
Stereo Phaser and Chorus can also create/widen stereo, but often not Mono-compatible.
Melda Productions has some versatile free stuff too.
MSpectral Pan
https://www.meldaproduction.com/MSpectralPan
MStereo Expander
https://www.meldaproduction.com/MStereoExpander
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- KVRian
- 1030 posts since 26 Feb, 2018
Another free one with great features:
http://www.alexhilton.net/A1AUDIO/index ... reocontrol
But also +1 for free Izotope Ozone Imager 2.
http://www.alexhilton.net/A1AUDIO/index ... reocontrol
But also +1 for free Izotope Ozone Imager 2.
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thecontrolcentre thecontrolcentre https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=76240
- KVRAF
- 35163 posts since 27 Jul, 2005 from the wilds of wanny
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- KVRAF
- 2989 posts since 5 Nov, 2014
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vitocorleone123 vitocorleone123 https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=333504
- KVRAF
- 1891 posts since 30 Jun, 2014 from Pacific NW
Mid/side processing in EQ or compressor can achieve some widening, presumably with less risk of phasing from a “widener”.
- KVRAF
- 2110 posts since 5 Oct, 2015 from Swedish / Living in Hong Kong
Free one!
https://polyversemusic.com/products/wider/
Quote:
"PSEUDO STEREO WITHOUT PHASE ISSUES
Wider takes the massively popular stereo section from its sibling, Manipulator, and creates the illusion of an expanded stereo image of a mono signal to an awe-inspiring amount of width. However, Wider is a unique stereo plugin in the sense that it is completely “mono-compatible”, meaning that any signal that has been extended will always remain in phase with itself, even if summed to mono."
https://polyversemusic.com/products/wider/
Quote:
"PSEUDO STEREO WITHOUT PHASE ISSUES
Wider takes the massively popular stereo section from its sibling, Manipulator, and creates the illusion of an expanded stereo image of a mono signal to an awe-inspiring amount of width. However, Wider is a unique stereo plugin in the sense that it is completely “mono-compatible”, meaning that any signal that has been extended will always remain in phase with itself, even if summed to mono."
Win 10 -64bit, CPU i7-7700K, 32Gb, Focusrite 2i2, FL-studio 20, Studio One 4, Reason 10
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- KVRAF
- 4710 posts since 26 Nov, 2015 from Way Downunder
This is a tricky one for me because over the years I've come to realise that nothing sounds as good, natural and wider than just some really good selection and placement. For example, instead of taking a mono hi-hat sample and "stereoizing" it, most of the time it's better to just pan it to one side and then use other things (on the other panned side) to get more natural width.
Often the very best "stereoizer" is simply a fantastic reverb on a mono source.
Often the very best "stereoizer" is simply a fantastic reverb on a mono source.
- KVRAF
- 7397 posts since 20 Jul, 2004 from Clearwater