Upcoming Synapse OB-Xa: Obsession

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

But with emulations of famous Vintage Synths for me it is important that presets chosen represent the instrument well for what they were famous for patchwise.

Agree totally.

Arturia is pretty bad at this IMO. It's like, "ok, CS80, gotta be a simple Blade Runner brass patch here and...wait, is there?" But then you'll get the factory patches (where there were some), followed by a lot of tricked out, over the top, patches that are slathered in crazy modulators and their (IMO) bad effects. I know some of their patch designers are here, and there's some good stuff in some of those banks, but I'd grade Arturia's overall patch design a C-. The Legend (only Synapse synth I own) was better. I'd give that a B. Recent U-he products have really stepped up as of late (RePro, Hive). Roland actually does a pretty decent job of finding the balance between classic presets and usable modern patches.

[zvenx]

It's not easy to replicate exactly those Jump or other sounds, especially when one does not know exactly what was going on there (not only an OB-Xa was utilized, maybe external effects as well, the mixing, mastering and such). And the user error. Perhaps you should try once Obsession is out. However, I think there are some Jump-ish patches included; can't guarantee it'll be a 1:1 copy though.

Please no more Jump convos I only used that as an example.... but indeed it won't be exact but Obsession will have fx... where the OB-Xa didnt.

Do you have Repro? U-he made an attempt to have patches that represent a lot of the sounds it was famous for. And yes they used Repro's internal efx to help achieve that.
Not coincidentally.
rsp

[Teksonik]

I'm sure some of you will try to do 1:1 copies of the original OB-Xa factory sound bank.

I don't necessarily mean the factory bank. I mean how it was used.
Jump for example whilst that convo went on and on was a good example.

rsp

Can you give an example of how the MiniMoog was used that wasn't represented in The Legend's factory patches ?

The MM was such a simple synth that could only make a handful of sounds it seems like it would be hard to miss any patches that show off how it was used.

[zvenx]

I'm sure some of you will try to do 1:1 copies of the original OB-Xa factory sound bank.

I don't necessarily mean the factory bank. I mean how it was used.
Jump for example whilst that convo went on and on was a good example.

rsp

lol
Noo....
rsp

[zvenx]

I'm sure some of you will try to do 1:1 copies of the original OB-Xa factory sound bank.

I don't necessarily mean the factory bank. I mean how it was used.
Jump for example whilst that convo went on and on was a good example.

rsp

Can you give an example of how the MiniMoog was used that wasn't represented in The Legend's factory patches ?

The MM was such a simple synth that could only make a handful of sounds it seems like it would be hard to miss any patches that show off how it was used.

Do you own Monark?
If you do and listen to the factory presets they would do a much better job than I ever could.
rsp

[Ingonator]

If there is anything I was disappointed with in Legend was that I found a lot of the patches did not well represent the vintage side of the MiniMoog.

Did you miss the KPR Classic Patches (which I'm sure someone will come along and brag about) ?



Legend 061520-1.png

Well i had done a lot of my own patches besides those (even more with a later update of The Legend) so why should i not be little bit proud of them even if the Minimoog patches originally were not done by me?

They were reprogrammed by me from the patch sheets in the Minimoog patch book by Klaus P. Rausch and with his permission. As i already had recreated them for NI Monark (also with an official permission from Klaus) i already had a reference.
Both Richard and i worked on fine tuning and calibrating the patches based on samples/demos of the patches that were created by Klaus with his Minimoog and included in a CD with the printed patch book (officially this was not available as a PDF while someone had published an illegal PDF). IIRC Richard did buy the printed book with the CD too.
Personally i prefer the result in The Legend over those in Monark for both the sound and a better fine tuning and calibration of the patches.

[zvenx]

I'm sure some of you will try to do 1:1 copies of the original OB-Xa factory sound bank.

I don't necessarily mean the factory bank. I mean how it was used.
Jump for example whilst that convo went on and on was a good example.

rsp

Can you give an example of how the MiniMoog was used that wasn't represented in The Legend's factory patches ?

The MM was such a simple synth that could only make a handful of sounds it seems like it would be hard to miss any patches that show off how it was used.

For what I listened to, minimoog was king for Bass and Leads, especially Funk or Fusion genre for instance.... or David Foster type stuff.
Many if not most Monark presets Bass or lead I pull up, I immediately get inspired to played either a bass or lead I have heard before or more importantly create one in that style.
Apart from the ones I have done in Legend myself, that rarely happens with Legend.
rsp

[AnX]

) so why should i not be little bit proud of them even if the Minimoog patches originally were not done by me?

because all you did was copy someone's work

[zvenx]

..........

Can you give an example of how the MiniMoog was used that wasn't represented in The Legend's factory patches ?

The MM was such a simple synth that could only make a handful of sounds it seems like it would be hard to miss any patches that show off how it was used.

Quick one off the top of my head.
Thriller Bass.

Put another way (I am sure there is a Lucky Lead patch in Legend somewhere), what patches in Legend represent presets from well known MiniMoog Classic songs?

Like there is a Funk 70s and a Bootsy Bass in Legend. I grew up on Bootsy and Funk 70s, I have no idea how these patches are suppose to represent either.
rsp

[AnX]

Like there is a Funk 70s and a Bootsy Bass in Legend. I grew up on Bootsy and Funk 70s, I have no idea how these patches are suppose to represent either.
rsp

do you mean they don't sound like you think they should?

[Ingonator]

) so why should i not be little bit proud of them even if the Minimoog patches originally were not done by me?

because all you did was copy someone's work

But i always did give credits to Klaus for having orginally craeated the patch book and it is his name used in The Legend and not mine (which i always agreed to). Anyway the work with reprogramming them and fine tuning them was done by me and Richard.

As far as i can see those patches from teh patch sheets so far are not included in the NKS presets.

Of course i a more proud about my own The Legend patches even if you will tell me that they are all crappy...

[zvenx]

If by think you mean sounds like the sounds that I grew up listening to over and over to, yes.
They remind me nothing of them.....
I open Monark and I am right back there.

It is for reasons like this I have been trying to cajole, beg Big Tone and Himalaya to do a Legend bank.
rsp

[Yorrrrrr]

Zvenx you should try yourself instead of waiting for others. Both The Legend and Obsession are more than fit for the task.

[zvenx]

Well I do believe Sound Design is a craft that requires a gift... Like I could practice piano for the rest of my life I would not be 1/20th as good as Herbie Hancock.
Similarly a Eric Persing, Electric Himalaya, Sound Author, Big Tone and tons others to me have a gift that,. well I try to stick to my lane and do what I am capable of.
That said indeed with Legend I started to roll the ones that I need.
rsp

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

There are enough Minimoog emulations out there and it's so easy to program it's less of a big deal, but I understand the point. I think Minimoog my mind goes straight to funk basses of the 70s and 80s, 80s pop bass and lead sounds (think Madonna's first two records, West End Girls bass, etc.), Dr. Dre's The Chronic synth basses and the triangle gangsta lead sound, classic rock synth leads, etc. None of it's even remotely hard to program, but if you said "classic Minimoog patches" that's what I'd expect to find inside. Not the flute and violins from the original patch sheets. Not some crazy tricked sequence with all kinds of modulators and a vowel filter or anything like that.