Upcoming Synapse OB-Xa: Obsession

[Yorrrrrr]

Show some OB-Xa V or DIVA skills please.

[AnX]

Otherwise, for stuff like the resonance, I'm not hearing it do anything Arturia's doesn't, and it falls short of the OB-XA hardware.. sooo...

the dev thinks differently, but he used an actual ob xa, not some mp3s to model it on

do you have an OB Xa?

[Yorrrrrr]

Oh yeah, that'd help.

[AnX]

Advanced features in the Arturia plugin like the Function generators do not really matter much for me if sound wise IMHO it is much worse than OBsession.

Well, except those functions do matter for that particular aspect of brass sounds. So, depending on how much the step-lfo steps in here, OB-XA V has the advantage there..

i dont see how that's relevant.... the point is to faithfully copy "brass/whatever" sounds that the hardware is capable of, not "brass/whatever in general. You may as well use something better suited if that's your aim.

currently I wouldn't use the step lfo as that type of env. It's OK for a one shot pitch drop etc with a high step count at a fairly high rate, but it's not really designed for that (until it gets smoothing)

[PAK]

Yeah, but you'll get the chance to do it yourself soon too. So if you can do it better...

You'd need to be pretty motivated for that, as it's possible to approximate stuff quickly, but going past that usually isn't the quickest process. I mean, unless you can sit there for hours and micro-tweak (not fun unless you're of a particular disposition) rather than "peck" at something over a longer period of time

Including the Factory presets would've helped remove much of that process for comparisons, like Arturia did. Although that still didn't stop the one guy posting mangled OB-XA V preset examples against his hardware..

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

Yeah, but you'll get the chance to do it yourself soon too. So if you can do it better...

You'd need to be pretty motivated for that, as it's possible to approximate stuff quickly, but going past that usually isn't the quickest process. I mean, unless you can sit there for hours and micro-tweak (not fun unless you're of a particular disposition) rather than "peck" at something over a longer period of time

Including the Factory presets would've helped remove much of that process for comparisons, like Arturia did. Although that still didn't stop the one guy posting mangled OB-XA V preset examples against his hardware..

You completely lost me. Maybe I'm wrong, but it sounds like you're looking to compare OB-Xa V with OBsession, but you don't trust anyone else to do it right, and won't trust yourself to do it right either. But it being done right sounds important to you. How would you decide then?

[PAK]

the dev thinks differently

Ok. Well, that's as unbiased as it gets

do you have an OB Xa?

I don't, though I've had access to one and I feel I used it enough (IE several hours) to form an overall opinion.

Someone else on this thread, not that many pages back, said they owned one though (or was it an OB-8?) and was expressing sentiments about it which may diverge from what the devs opinion might be. So perhaps better to ask them if looking for some sort of example..

[Teksonik]

Certainly better to wait for the OBsession Demo instead of speculating.

The mod system implemented in OB-XA V is not speculation.

No but your assumptions about OBsession are speculation. At least wait for the demo before you shoot it down. Synapse deserves that much.

[PAK]

You completely lost me.Maybe I'm wrong, but it sounds like you're looking to compare OB-Xa V with OBsession, but you don't trust anyone else to do it right, and won't trust yourself to do it right either.

I'm not saying that. It's that it tends to be a lot more difficult to do such things than many people assume. That whole last 10% taking 90% of the time sort of thing. So someone still has to be fairly motivated to do it well, even if they know their way around the synth (Like, in Swans case, he was doing it to sell presets, so there was a financial motivation for the patience it would've taken.. )

But it being done right sounds important to you. How would you decide then?

Well, you can use something and decide But, otherwise, there's many variables with just audio comparisons, which give them limited value. In that case it tends to come down to whether something does something which you don't think the other can replicate. The only way to know that, for sure, is to try for yourself, unless someone maybe demonstrates otherwise

[Teksonik]

do you have an OB Xa?

I don't, though I've had access to one and I feel I used it enough (IE several hours) to form an overall opinion.

Well several hours certainly qualifies you as an expert.

You've spent zero time with OBsession and you've already formed an opinion on it based on a few audio demos.

And in order to make the sounds of the OBX-A you need features not found in the hardware ?

Got it......

Wait....for....the....demo. Then you can slag it off without looking like a noob.

[PAK]

No but your assumptions about OBsession are speculation.

I suppose, but much in the form of questions, where I did (at least) learn some things. It's kinda strange to have so many people on a thread posting about something yet (apparently) unable to talk about certain things in much detail

At least wait for the demo before you shoot it down. Synapse deserves that much.

You're right. Though I think you can question things and not necessarily be looking to shoot anything down. I hope it succeeds as a product, regardless of what I think of it one way or another

[vurt]

Wait for the demo.

[PAK]

Well several hours certainly qualifies you as an expert.

I didn't proclaim to be an "expert" in anything. Especially when it comes to audio, where so much is "subjective" Also, many of the areas, where you find differences in emulations versus hardware, tend to be shared, regardless of what's being emulated, because it relates directly to the mathematical difficulty in approximating the behaviour.. such as with resonance.

You've spent zero time with OBsession and you've already formed an opinion on it based on a few audio demos.

Given that's all we've been given thus far, it's all anyone else (than beta testers) have to form an opinion too As to the importance I attach to that, perhaps you're making many of your own assumptions about what I do and don't think.

And in order to make the sounds of the OBX-A you need features not found in the hardware ?

Nope, in regards to my reply to Ingo it was about a specific feature which helps with brass sounds. I assume you'd engage some common sense in knowing, without it being stated, that Arturia's mod system wasn't part of the hardware.

Wait....for....the....demo. Then you can slag it off

It's not your place to tell other people what they can and can't do. Not that I'd argue people should base their opinion on a demo anyway People can also be critical, or point out advantages other things might have, without it being about "slagging" anything off..

[AnX]

the dev thinks differently

Ok. Well, that's as unbiased as it gets

i imagine he prob has more knowledge on the subject than anyone here, and more talent to implement it

I don't, though I've had access to one and I feel I used it enough (IE several hours) to form an overall opinion.

several hours? OK

[Yorrrrrr]

Wait for the demo.

Crappy song.