Upcoming Synapse OB-Xa: Obsession

[TheMaestro]

Most of you doesn't even know why you want an emulation, other than it's a new synth you'll never use again after the first week of trying presets and checking Youtube for praise of the synth.

[wagtunes]

Most of you doesn't even know why you want an emulation, other than it's a new synth you'll never use again after the first week of trying presets and checking Youtube for praise of the synth.

Maybe so. But in my case, just like the Polymoog (thank you XILS) I've been waiting for a really good Oberheim for a very long time and so far have been nothing but disappointed. So no, if I buy this thing, trust me, I will use it.

A Lot!

[EnGee]

Most of you doesn't even know why you want an emulation, other than it's a new synth you'll never use again after the first week of trying presets and checking Youtube for praise of the synth.

We love new shiny trendy synths that screams so we be famous in YouTube You stay with your rusty ones in the shadows

[miloszz]

Most of you doesn't even know why you want an emulation, other than it's a new synth you'll never use again after the first week of trying presets and checking Youtube for praise of the synth.

I like simpler synths that do 'one thing' very well - other than that I have Diva and Hive that can 'do anything' but tend to feel like option paralysis.

An OB-6 is like $2300 for the module IIRC.

[Teksonik]

Opinion not based in fact....

You think it's only an opinion, that some areas where emulations struggle can often directly relate to the "mathematical difficulty" involved? Hmmm, ok...

Ok what mathematics ? Give me a formula that proves emulations "struggle". Show me the math that proves emulations can't be just as good or better than the original. Or is it just an old wives' tale perpetuated over and over by those who really don't know ?

It means, amongst other things, that no conclusion has actually been drawn.

No but you're forming opinions based on incomplete information. Such opinions are most often worth very little.

The fact that you'd think people might need to be told the obvious (IE "Try for yourself") perhaps makes more of a statement about what you think of the intellect of others

Yes it does doesn't it.....

Hey if people talk smack about a plugin before they've even tried it somebody's got to point out the obvious.....

[Teksonik]

FWIW, as someone who owned not 1 but 2 Oberheims, I think I'm more than qualified to make a comparison. The problem is, right now, there is NOTHING to compare it to.

So how about we just wait until we can actually get our hands on the damn thing before we start saying anything about one versus the other. At this point, it doesn't even make any sense.

Finally someone is making sense.......

[chk071]

Show me the math that proves emulations can't be just as good or better than the original.

What does that even mean? Good or better is very subjective. And it's nothing you could "grab" by pointing at a portion of code.

Apart from that, if you mean whether or not you can emulate/simulate very aspect of what's going on in the real analog world, then I have to disappoint you. A lifetime isn't enough to capture all that (and much of it isn't even known, so you'd have to do loads of guess work), let alone to have the processing power, or capabilities of computers to do so. That's not the point though, the point is rather to "trick" perception. To create the illusion of real. Same with many other things where you simulate things happening in the real world. When the perception is real enough, the job is well done.

[rezoneight]

Most of you doesn't even know why you want an emulation, other than it's a new synth you'll never use again after the first week of trying presets and checking Youtube for praise of the synth.

And if I want to spend whatever this thing is going to cost to use it for a week wtf difference is that to you? Synapse gets the same money whether I use it once or a million times.

[wagtunes]

Show me the math that proves emulations can't be just as good or better than the original.

What does that even mean? Good or better is very subjective. And it's nothing you could "grab" by pointing at a portion of code.

Apart from that, if you mean whether or not you can emulate/simulate very aspect of what's going on in the real analog world, then I have to disappoint you. A lifetime isn't enough to capture all that (and much of it isn't even known, so you'd have to do loads of guess work), let alone to have the processing power, or capabilities of computers to do so. That's not the point though, the point is rather to "trick" perception. To create the illusion of real. Same with many other things where you simulate things happening in the real world. When the perception is real enough, the job is well done.

And then throw into all that all the post processing that goes into these synths to actually get them to sound like they do on the recordings. Unless you've actually owned one, you have no idea what they really sound like.

In fact, I can play you recordings of old synths that I have (the ones that came with no on board FX) that you'd never guess were the synths they actually were. That's how bad they sound.

I mean does anybody think that these groups plug these bad boys into a recording jack and that's it?

Like I said, I could play you stuff that would make you cringe.

[BONES]

Good Dog! This thread is completely out of control. Every time I come back to it there are another 5 or 6 pages of what I can only assume is waffle (I'm not bothering to read it any more). I got an email from Rich this morning, it won't be long now. Probably not today but before the end of the week, I think. (Don't quote me, he didn't say specifically).

[Teksonik]

Show me the math that proves emulations can't be just as good or better than the original.

What does that even mean? Good or better is very subjective.

Exactly, just like "hardware sounds better than software is subjective ? *Gasp* but but it's analog....

Apart from that, if you mean whether or not you can emulate/simulate very aspect of what's going on in the real analog world, then I have to disappoint you. A lifetime isn't enough to capture all that (and much of it isn't even known, so you'd have to do loads of guess work), let alone to have the processing power, or capabilities of computers to do so.

Again prove it. Or are you just regurgitating the same tired old line over and over ?

My point is back up what you're saying beyond "analog is all magic and fairy dust".

Didn't someone in this very thread point to a test where people mistook DIVA for the hardware or preferred DIVA to the hardware ? We're there already if you'll have an open mind.

So no there is no magic fairy dust only the bias of those who go into every test with the misguided opinion that Analog is the pinnacle of synthesis.

[Teksonik]

I mean does anybody think that these groups plug these bad boys into a recording jack and that's it?

Thank you, that's a very important point. So often people fall in love with a synth based on how it sounded in their favorite songs.

We could probably count on our hands and have fingers left over the number of times a synth was recorded direct into the board with out any post processing or FX at all.

Do me a favor, when you get the OBsession demo don't even listen to the presets first go right to recreating the sounds that you used to love when you owned your OBies.

That way your first impression isn't tainted by how someone else thinks the OB should sound.

Then you'll know in a short time if OBsession makes the grade or not.

[Teksonik]

Anyway enough for tonight. Hopefully when (if) I wake up tomorrow OBsession will have been released and then the discussion can turn to the actual plugin......

[christian f.]

In fact, I can play you recordings of old synths that I have (the ones that came with no on board FX) that you'd never guess were the synths they actually were. That's how bad they sound.

I mean does anybody think that these groups plug these bad boys into a recording jack and that's it?

Like I said, I could play you stuff that would make you cringe.

OBX, OBXa, OB8 are probably the best sounding synths ever made right out of the box.
Most of the highly sought after vintage synths sound great without fx.
Exceptions to my ears are Jupiter 8 and Prophet 5 I don't like them without processing.

[wagtunes]

I mean does anybody think that these groups plug these bad boys into a recording jack and that's it?

Thank you, that's a very important point. So often people fall in love with a synth based on how it sounded in their favorite songs.

We could probably count on our hands and have fingers left over the number of times a synth was recorded direct into the board with out any post processing or FX at all.

Do me a favor, when you get the OBsession demo don't even listen to the presets first go right to recreating the sounds that you used to love when you owned your OBies.

That way your first impression isn't tainted by how someone else thinks the OB should sound.

Then you'll know in a short time if OBsession makes the grade or not.

Which is what I intend to do. I know all my favorite patches, know how to make them, so that's what I plan to do. I'll know right away.