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wagtunes · Post by **wagtunes** » Thu Jun 18, 2020 1:10 am

christian f. wrote: Thu Jun 18, 2020 1:06 am
wagtunes wrote: Thu Jun 18, 2020 12:39 am
In fact, I can play you recordings of old synths that I have (the ones that came with no on board FX) that you'd never guess were the synths they actually were. That's how bad they sound.

I mean does anybody think that these groups plug these bad boys into a recording jack and that's it?

Like I said, I could play you stuff that would make you cringe.
OBX, OBXa, OB8 are probably the best sounding synths ever made right out of the box.
Most of the highly sought after vintage synths sound great without fx.
Exceptions to my ears are Jupiter 8 and Prophet 5 I don't like them without processing.

Because the Jupiter 8 and Prophet 5, without processing, suck.

Another great synth without processing was the Polymoog. Damn I wish I had one of those things but you couldn't find them around where I was. Nobody had them. XILS did a great job with theirs. It is almost dead on the money compared to the hardware, at least from recordings.

christian f. · Post by **christian f.** » Thu Jun 18, 2020 2:04 am

Yes , I agree !
XILS did a great job on the Polymoog !

I uploaded a quick recording of an OB 8 without processing for whoever is interested.
It would be nice if any of the beta testers could show something in this range to compare.

https://sndup.net/78mz/ob-8+raw.mp3

Yorrrrrr · Post by **Yorrrrrr** » Thu Jun 18, 2020 2:08 am

That sounds very good! Reminds me of Obsession.

christian f. · Post by **christian f.** » Thu Jun 18, 2020 2:24 am

Yorrrrrr wrote: Thu Jun 18, 2020 2:08 am That sounds very good! Reminds me of Obsession.

If obsession can come close to this I’ll be the first one to sell my OB-8

Yorrrrrr · Post by **Yorrrrrr** » Thu Jun 18, 2020 2:27 am

Why? It sounds amazing. You don't need Obsession with that beauty.

tony10000 · Post by **tony10000** » Thu Jun 18, 2020 2:34 am

I love the sound of the Xpander and the Matrix 12, personally. I wish Synapse would recreate those.

PAK · Post by **PAK** » Thu Jun 18, 2020 2:43 am

Teksonik wrote: Thu Jun 18, 2020 12:18 am Ok what mathematics ?

Mathematical difficulty.. meaning the difficulty in coming up with the formulas in the first place! If papers are published (like on the Moog filter, for example) then it's easier for someone to implement something based around that.

Where anything strays outside of published papers then the dev needs to both understand the cause of what's heard / observed, and then be able to implement that in sufficient detail in a mathematical model of their own. Are you suggesting that process is never difficult? Interesting

And I never said emulations "couldn't" be as good! You keep inventing utter garbage which I've not stated, nor even implied.

If you're looking to further any knowledge I'm sure you'd be better served reading the opinions of people like Andrew Simper, and I'm also sure he'll be happy to hear how you think there's no difficulty involved in what he does. Of course, it's easy to calculate the right answers once you actually know the things required to calculate them..

Without that you have "mathematical difficulties".. which is a reference towards human limitations, rather than maths!

No but you're forming opinions based on incomplete information. Such opinions are most often worth very little.

Forming and formed are not the same thing, and the few dozen people (if that) still reading this thread are likely well aware of what is and isn't available to form anything. God forbid someone suggests users may want to check the resonance details when a plugin is released.. What an outrage! Also, nobody should care much about what ANYONE says on KVR.. Try something for yourself. Make up your own mind. Duh!

Otherwise feel free to stop inventing things which I either haven't said, or aren't choc full of your own incorrect assumptions..

Funkybot's Evil Twin · Thu Jun 18, 2020 2:53 am

Yorrrrrr wrote: Thu Jun 18, 2020 2:27 am Why? It sounds amazing. You don't need Obsession with that beauty.

Oh I totally get selling it. That thing is giant and prices are skyhigh. I'd be tempted to sell myself.

tony10000 · Post by **tony10000** » Thu Jun 18, 2020 3:07 am

Teksonik wrote: Thu Jun 18, 2020 12:18 am
PAK wrote: Wed Jun 17, 2020 8:45 pm
Teksonik wrote: Wed Jun 17, 2020 8:28 pm Opinion not based in fact....
You think it's only an opinion, that some areas where emulations struggle can often directly relate to the "mathematical difficulty" involved? Hmmm, ok...
Ok what mathematics ? Give me a formula that proves emulations "struggle". Show me the math that proves emulations can't be just as good or better than the original. Or is it just an old wives' tale perpetuated over and over by those who really don't know ?

PAK wrote: Wed Jun 17, 2020 8:45 pmIt means, amongst other things, that no conclusion has actually been drawn.
No but you're forming opinions based on incomplete information. Such opinions are most often worth very little.

PAK wrote: Wed Jun 17, 2020 8:45 pmThe fact that you'd think people might need to be told the obvious (IE "Try for yourself") perhaps makes more of a statement about what you think of the intellect of others
Yes it does doesn't it.....

Hey if people talk smack about a plugin before they've even tried it somebody's got to point out the obvious.....

If you want to study the mathematics behind VA filter design:

https://www.native-instruments.com/file ... _2.1.0.pdf

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Thu Jun 18, 2020 3:16 am

Funkybot's Evil Twin wrote: Thu Jun 18, 2020 2:53 am
Yorrrrrr wrote: Thu Jun 18, 2020 2:27 am Why? It sounds amazing. You don't need Obsession with that beauty.
Oh I totally get selling it. That thing is giant and prices are skyhigh. I'd be tempted to sell myself.

what are yah worth

Funkybot's Evil Twin · Thu Jun 18, 2020 4:20 am

Lol. One for the out of context thread.

SiliconDeath · Post by **SiliconDeath** » Thu Jun 18, 2020 4:33 am

wagtunes wrote: Wed Jun 17, 2020 10:05 pm
TheMaestro wrote: Wed Jun 17, 2020 9:51 pm Most of you doesn't even know why you want an emulation, other than it's a new synth you'll never use again after the first week of trying presets and checking Youtube for praise of the synth.
Maybe so. But in my case, just like the Polymoog (thank you XILS) I've been waiting for a really good Oberheim for a very long time and so far have been nothing but disappointed. So no, if I buy this thing, trust me, I will use it.

A Lot!

I wish I could share your enthusiasm for the Xils PolyM. It has interesting/good sound, but the UI (being true to the original I suppose), is alien to me.

BONES · Post by **BONES** » Thu Jun 18, 2020 5:09 am

christian f. wrote: Thu Jun 18, 2020 2:04 amI uploaded a quick recording of an OB 8 without processing for whoever is interested.
It would be nice if any of the beta testers could show something in this range to compare.
https://sndup.net/78mz/ob-8+raw.mp3

What do you like about this? It sounds pretty generic to me, I reckon I have a dozen VSTis that could manage it easily enough.

christian f. · Post by **christian f.** » Thu Jun 18, 2020 5:27 am

BONES wrote: Thu Jun 18, 2020 5:09 am
What do you like about this? It sounds pretty generic to me, I reckon I have a dozen VSTis that could manage it easily enough.

Well .... listening to your music .. I think our ears (and eyes) are tuned differently.
You have absolutely no feel or ear for the subtle finer details in sound (and visuals).
It's no surprise to me that everything sounds the same to you

V0RT3X · Post by **V0RT3X** » Thu Jun 18, 2020 5:29 am

+1

christian f. wrote: Thu Jun 18, 2020 5:27 am
BONES wrote: Thu Jun 18, 2020 5:09 am
What do you like about this? It sounds pretty generic to me, I reckon I have a dozen VSTis that could manage it easily enough.
Well .... listening to your music .. I think our ears (and eyes) are tuned differently.
You have absolutely no feel or ear for the subtle finer details in sound (and visuals).
It's no surprise to me that everything sounds the same to you

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