KORG ARP Odyssey - Hardware v Software Question

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SamDi
KVRist
97 posts since 27 Apr, 2018

Post Tue Jun 30, 2020 6:30 am

I don‘t get the point of the „moral“ understanding of some guys here. Which moral should be violated to clone a synth, which was launched almost 50 years ago and was not produced for decades either? Just the moral that Korg has a kind of „official“ licence to use the ARP brand? It has a reason, why patents run out after a certain time in all industry countries, because if not, innovation would be blocked by these companies, which business model is just to hold these rights.

With this argument all SW-synth emulations, not officially licensed by the original manufactors would be immoral. And how far should it go? Are all 3 OSC subtractive synths immoral, because stolen from MOOG? Or all 4 OSC FM approaches illegal because to near to a DX7?

I mean for a new product it‘s clear. It needs some protection to honor the R&D effort and the risk to bring it on the market and protecting it getting copied from cheap copy cats.

But for stuff older than 10, 20 years, the return of invest should be secured and then just the market decides, which quality standard in relation to which price will persist.

JMHO

chk071
KVRAF
24719 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany

Re: KORG ARP Odyssey - Hardware v Software Question

Post Tue Jun 30, 2020 6:42 am

There is no moral to violate. And, I'm sure lots of people will be happy to be able to finally afford something which is very similar so the classic synths many people still lust after.

If there was a moral to violate, then it would be similarly violated by every soft synth developer making a virtual emulation of one of those synths, because that's the same kind of reverse engineering.
Plugins and a DAW. On a operating system. Which runs on a computer.

Stefken
KVRAF
1977 posts since 9 Nov, 2016

Re: KORG ARP Odyssey - Hardware v Software Question

Post Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:51 am

Weasel-Boy wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 4:01 pm
And there is a real world reason why the KORG version costs more than $300 US than the Behringer version: Behringer uses substandard parts. I can almost guarantee that a good deal of the buttons, switches and sliders on the Behringer version will fail within a year’s worth of daily use, as opposed to the KORG.

You gets what you pays for.
The Behringer Odyssey is build like a tank, with a very nice keybed. The Korg's I personally have are substandard in comparison: the keybeds are a toy and depending on the model, the knobs are pretty filmsy. I'm not saying that all Korgs are like that but the statement that current Behringer synths are substandard is just not true. The Poly D is also quality work.

As for what Uli is doing, I'm personally OK with it. If the technology is older than 50 years, there is no discussion whatsoever. And I'm all for this mission to bring affordable synths to the masses. Imo the discussion around the Devilfish shows that he is not into it for the money, but is foremost a synth enthousiast, that wants to make the technology widely available.

Also infringements have been all around. The ARP Odyssey had an infringement on the Moog filter. The Pro3 also has 3 filters, among then again a Moog filter. Etc etc.
As for software emulations, the technlogy and know how involved is so far apart, that I don't see this as cloning.

This is off course all my personal opinion. If people don't like what Behringer is doing, I'm Ok with that too. I can understand their reasoning.

But it's not like Behringer is putting firms out of business.
People do buy a Moog One at a whopping 8000 euro's. Behringer is not affecting that marketshare.
Roland has decided not to go the analog route to revive old classics, but has gone the emulation route. So people that like analogs can get the Behringer one's.

And he's not all about copying either. The Deepmind and Neutron are interesting and original designs; The Poly D adds paraphony to a Minimoog which makes it more interesting than the original imo at a very affordable price. (Also, Moog is pretty much just cloning the designs of Bob Moog for decades now anyway). The TD-3 has a distortion included which wasn't there on the original etc etc.
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chk071
KVRAF
24719 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany

Re: KORG ARP Odyssey - Hardware v Software Question

Post Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:56 am

Xiaomi phones aren't substandard either. It's just that big companies which produce in low wage countries and which can produce and sell bigger amounts of their products are able to offer much more inexpensively.
Plugins and a DAW. On a operating system. Which runs on a computer.

Funkybot's Evil Twin
KVRAF
7373 posts since 16 Aug, 2006

Re: KORG ARP Odyssey - Hardware v Software Question

Post Tue Jun 30, 2020 4:58 pm

Do you suppose Uli Behringer clones his pets?

Stefken
KVRAF
1977 posts since 9 Nov, 2016

Re: KORG ARP Odyssey - Hardware v Software Question

Post Wed Jul 01, 2020 2:18 am

You can't utilize mass production benefits with pets. So no.
But Barbara Streisand does.

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