The most closest vst to Yamaha FS1R is ....

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fmr
KVRAF
10013 posts since 16 Mar, 2003 from Porto - Portugal

Post Sun May 31, 2020 5:41 am

digitalboytn wrote:
Sun May 31, 2020 2:58 am
stimresp wrote:
Tue Jan 06, 2015 6:07 am
I have an FS1r and have spent much time learning it. Still frustrating at times. No doubt it is an excellent instrument but, IMO you are much better off with current Software synths.
:tu: :clap:

I had a couple of FS1r's back in the day and although were OK at the time,things have moved on quite a bit since then...

Tiny screens on those one unit modules !
Who cares about the tiny screens? That unit was meant to be programmed through software, IMO. I agree with those that say it is a very complex beats. It is. That's why it would be impossible to accomodate any kind of useful GUI even in a screen 4 times bigger.

So, we had instead great software editors that supported it (the same goes for the Kawai K5000, another very complex synth, that also went under the radar). I am always in the fence, and if I get a good enough deal I will get one, since apparently I cannot trust any developer to pick it and create a soft emulation.
Fernando (FMR)

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KVRist
82 posts since 12 Mar, 2004

Post Mon Jun 29, 2020 2:12 pm

I'm curious why Yamaha isn't doing a legacy synth VST collection like Roland or Korg are doing. There are some old Yamaha synth models that I would buy instantly if they were released as a VST similar (or hopefully better) than the Korg ones.

KVRian
565 posts since 9 Jan, 2018

Post Mon Jun 29, 2020 3:55 pm

Yamaha doesn't seem to trust software. Their Ideascale project reaffirms there's a lot of demand for legacy emulators, but I suspect as long as their current hardware can load in DX7 sounds, they think all is well.

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KVRAF
2071 posts since 8 Dec, 2008 from Global Cowboy

Post Mon Jun 29, 2020 8:25 pm

fmr wrote:
Sun May 31, 2020 5:41 am
digitalboytn wrote:
Sun May 31, 2020 2:58 am
stimresp wrote:
Tue Jan 06, 2015 6:07 am
I have an FS1r and have spent much time learning it. Still frustrating at times. No doubt it is an excellent instrument but, IMO you are much better off with current Software synths.
:tu: :clap:

I had a couple of FS1r's back in the day and although were OK at the time,things have moved on quite a bit since then...

Tiny screens on those one unit modules !
Who cares about the tiny screens? That unit was meant to be programmed through software, IMO. I agree with those that say it is a very complex beats. It is. That's why it would be impossible to accomodate any kind of useful GUI even in a screen 4 times bigger.

So, we had instead great software editors that supported it (the same goes for the Kawai K5000, another very complex synth, that also went under the radar). I am always in the fence, and if I get a good enough deal I will get one, since apparently I cannot trust any developer to pick it and create a soft emulation.
I had a K5000 and a couple of the rack versions as well...

But that is all history now....

Why do people want to keep going backwards ?

It must be all of the knobs and the flashing lights :wink:

That primeval feeling of material possession maybe ?
No auto tune and iLok free :tu:

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KVRAF
10013 posts since 16 Mar, 2003 from Porto - Portugal

Post Tue Jun 30, 2020 12:51 am

digitalboytn wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 8:25 pm
fmr wrote:
Sun May 31, 2020 5:41 am
Who cares about the tiny screens? That unit was meant to be programmed through software, IMO. I agree with those that say it is a very complex beats. It is. That's why it would be impossible to accomodate any kind of useful GUI even in a screen 4 times bigger.

So, we had instead great software editors that supported it (the same goes for the Kawai K5000, another very complex synth, that also went under the radar). I am always in the fence, and if I get a good enough deal I will get one, since apparently I cannot trust any developer to pick it and create a soft emulation.
I had a K5000 and a couple of the rack versions as well...

But that is all history now....

Why do people want to keep going backwards ?

It must be all of the knobs and the flashing lights :wink:

That primeval feeling of material possession maybe ?
I don't, that's not the point. Regarding the K5000R, something like Alchemy could replace it, but we don'0t have Alchemy in Windows anymore. Now, I have Loom II from AIR, which may also replace it. So, I haven't used my K5000 since a long time.

But in what concerns my Yamaha SY99, I cannot replace it with a single soft synth - I need a combination of synths to do "kind of" the same sounds (the closest I got is with Rhino, which doesn't receive an update since a very long time). And there isn't a single one that presents the same characteristics of the FS1R.
Fernando (FMR)

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KVRian
698 posts since 19 Sep, 2007 from Germany

Post Tue Jun 30, 2020 12:59 am

Yamaha does offering software synths, you just have to buy their own "hardware computers" for using them! :D

It's really a shame, what Yamaha brought the last years. almost only workstations with reduced sequencers, because they want force their users to use Cubase. And always the same sounds again and again and their pathetic trials to imitate EDM and Dubstep VST sounds for their cover musicians fanbase. The FM synth in Montage seems to be good, but I would never pay 3.000 Euro for it.
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KVRAF
21594 posts since 7 Jan, 2009 from Croatia

Post Tue Jun 30, 2020 1:11 am

Nothing in software sounds like some of those old racks. That's why we keep them. :)

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KVRian
698 posts since 19 Sep, 2007 from Germany

Post Tue Jun 30, 2020 1:22 am

I sold my Yamaha hardware gear years ago and don't miss it. I had QY700, AN1x, RM1x, RS7000 and Motif XF. The AN1x sounds really good, but is horrible to program compared to VSTs and I don't have tracks, which absolutely would need that sounds.

KVRian
1041 posts since 4 Aug, 2017

Post Wed Jul 01, 2020 7:03 am

The Hollow Sun (RIP) FS1R collection is the closest I am going to get: http://www.hollowsun.com/HS2/products/FS1R/index.htm

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KVRAF
5679 posts since 6 Jan, 2017 from Outer Space

Post Wed Jul 01, 2020 1:37 pm

Any DX7 emu is closer to an FS1R than a sampled version. Unless you are only interested in fixed presets...

KVRAF
6316 posts since 28 Apr, 2013

Post Wed Jul 01, 2020 1:42 pm

Kind of agree with Tj Shredder there
The Hollow Sun samples are good, but seems there is nothing special to mark it as the FS1R. They sound just like a DX as well.
Probably one of the most pointless libraries I ever bought...

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KVRAF
2071 posts since 8 Dec, 2008 from Global Cowboy

Post Wed Jul 01, 2020 5:59 pm

Tj Shredder wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 1:37 pm
Any DX7 emu is closer to an FS1R than a sampled version. Unless you are only interested in fixed presets...
:tu:

Sampled synths sound dead and are a complete waste of valuable HD space :wink:
No auto tune and iLok free :tu:

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KVRAF
10992 posts since 26 Jun, 2006 from San Francisco Bay Area

Post Wed Jul 01, 2020 8:49 pm

fmr wrote:
Sat May 30, 2020 1:58 pm
zerocrossing wrote:
Sat May 30, 2020 1:33 pm
I’ve never owned a FS1r, but what about Blue 2?
What about? No!
You kids are funny. Because something isn’t exact for you, it’s nothing like it, but the thread name wasn’t “what’s the exact emulation of the FS1r?” It’s what’s closest. No need to be jerky. The truth is, Blue 2 is pretty brilliant and it’s easy and fun to use, and anyone can own it. Have fun with your FS1r. I’ll see you in the Arturia FS1r V thread. :lol:
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KVRAF
10013 posts since 16 Mar, 2003 from Porto - Portugal

Post Thu Jul 02, 2020 1:42 am

zerocrossing wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 8:49 pm
fmr wrote:
Sat May 30, 2020 1:58 pm
zerocrossing wrote:
Sat May 30, 2020 1:33 pm
I’ve never owned a FS1r, but what about Blue 2?
What about? No!
You kids are funny. Because something isn’t exact for you, it’s nothing like it, but the thread name wasn’t “what’s the exact emulation of the FS1r?” It’s what’s closest. No need to be jerky. The truth is, Blue 2 is pretty brilliant and it’s easy and fun to use, and anyone can own it. Have fun with your FS1r. I’ll see you in the Arturia FS1r V thread. :lol:
Don't misunderstand me. I am a big fan of Blue (and all Jon Ayres synths in general, since the times of Kubik. Actually, we even exchanged a few e-mails regarding a possible new synth based in Kubik but closer to Microwave, before Jon Ayres joined forces with Rob Papen.

But Blue 2, although a great synth (I own Blue since the very beginning), is not "closer" to FS1R than any other six operator FM synth.

I hope we'll see each other in the Arturia FS1R V thread too :wink:

That would mean we would have a real FS1R emulation :)
Fernando (FMR)

KVRer
12 posts since 13 Aug, 2020

Post Sat Apr 03, 2021 7:26 am

bnz wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 2:12 pm
I'm curious why Yamaha isn't doing a legacy synth VST collection like Roland or Korg are doing. There are some old Yamaha synth models that I would buy instantly if they were released as a VST similar (or hopefully better) than the Korg ones.
Great point. Don't Yamaha own Steinberg? Why not get Steinberg to do some Emulations?

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