Obxd synthesizer
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Funkybot's Evil Twin Funkybot's Evil Twin https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=116627
- KVRAF
- 11483 posts since 16 Aug, 2006
Thanks, that does seem to help!
Also, there are now like a million CC's that appear in the parameter list. Are these necessary to be exposed to the DAW? It makes the VST parameter list insanely long (2,161 parameters). There's gotta be a way to get MIDI Learn working without exposing these to the host as automation parameters.
- KVRAF
- 23077 posts since 7 Jan, 2009 from Croatia
In VST3, nope, it's like that.
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- KVRAF
- 5419 posts since 18 Jul, 2002
There are only 76 MIDI CC. I don't think it's a plugin issue, does it?Funkybot's Evil Twin wrote: ↑Sat Jul 25, 2020 4:52 pmAlso, there are now like a million CC's that appear in the parameter list. Are these necessary to be exposed to the DAW? It makes the VST parameter list insanely long (2,161 parameters). There's gotta be a way to get MIDI Learn working without exposing these to the host as automation parameters.
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Funkybot's Evil Twin Funkybot's Evil Twin https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=116627
- KVRAF
- 11483 posts since 16 Aug, 2006
Try this...discoDSP wrote: ↑Sat Jul 25, 2020 5:05 pmThere are only 76 MIDI CC. I don't think it's a plugin issue, does it?Funkybot's Evil Twin wrote: ↑Sat Jul 25, 2020 4:52 pmAlso, there are now like a million CC's that appear in the parameter list. Are these necessary to be exposed to the DAW? It makes the VST parameter list insanely long (2,161 parameters). There's gotta be a way to get MIDI Learn working without exposing these to the host as automation parameters.
1. Open OB-Xd VST2 or VST3 in Reaper (latest build of OB-Xd)
2. Click the "UI" button in Reaper to turn off the plugins GUI
3. Scroll down the parameter list
Result: There are over 2,000 midi CC's in the VST parameter list. One for each of the 16 MIDI channels * 128 MIDI CC's.
These were not in prior OB-Xd builds. This isn't a "Reaper thing" either. It exists only in these more recent OB-Xd builds.
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- KVRAF
- 5419 posts since 18 Jul, 2002
They don't appear here. Reaper 6.12cFunkybot's Evil Twin wrote: ↑Sat Jul 25, 2020 5:37 pm 1. Open OB-Xd VST2 in Reaper (latest build of OB-Xd)
2. Click the "UI" button in Reaper to turn off the plugins GUI
3. Scroll down the parameter list
Result: There are over 2,000 midi CC's in the VST parameter list. One for each of the 16 MIDI channels * 128 MIDI CC's.
These were not in prior OB-Xd builds. This isn't a "Reaper thing" either. It exists only in these more recent OB-Xd builds.
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Funkybot's Evil Twin Funkybot's Evil Twin https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=116627
- KVRAF
- 11483 posts since 16 Aug, 2006
They completely disappeared here too! This is odd. I even tried the VST3 after I posted about the VST2 and got it with both. Now, both are completely fine.discoDSP wrote: ↑Sat Jul 25, 2020 5:39 pmThey don't appear here. Reaper 6.12cFunkybot's Evil Twin wrote: ↑Sat Jul 25, 2020 5:37 pm 1. Open OB-Xd VST2 in Reaper (latest build of OB-Xd)
2. Click the "UI" button in Reaper to turn off the plugins GUI
3. Scroll down the parameter list
Result: There are over 2,000 midi CC's in the VST parameter list. One for each of the 16 MIDI channels * 128 MIDI CC's.
These were not in prior OB-Xd builds. This isn't a "Reaper thing" either. It exists only in these more recent OB-Xd builds.
Maybe this was user error or something intermittent. I'll keep an eye on it and report back.
One thing I'm seeing with MIDI Learn. Sometimes button assignments don't "take" the first time. Try this:
1. With the button state on...
2. Click Learn
3. Move a MIDI parameter
Result: Learn buttons come off. Assignment looks like it was made.
4. Move the hardware controller for that button
Result: Nothing happens (not sure if it's 100% of the time, but definitely sometimes)
Now...
5. Click Learn
6. Cycle the Button into an Off state (either turn it on, turn it off, or if already on, turn it off)
8. Move a MIDI parameter
Result: works every time
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- KVRAF
- 5419 posts since 18 Jul, 2002
Does the issue happens in VST3 too?Funkybot's Evil Twin wrote: ↑Thu Jul 23, 2020 2:50 pm Here's what I just did:
1. Loaded OB-Xd (VST2 in Reaper 6.15)
2. In my default program, I have CC 35 assigned to Sine LFO
3. Turn the hardware knob to turn off Sine LFO shape (it's already on in my default preset)
4. Turn off the OSC2 frequency modulation button (it's already on in my default preset)
5. Turn the hardware knob to turn back on Sine LFO shape button
Result: OSC2 Frequency Mod button turns back on too! Will only happen once. After the first time, it's like they reset and the issue fixes itself. To reproduce, you have to remove OB-Xd and load a new instance.
Expected Result: Only the Sine turns back on. OSC2 Frequency Mod isn't being touched and should remain off.
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Funkybot's Evil Twin Funkybot's Evil Twin https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=116627
- KVRAF
- 11483 posts since 16 Aug, 2006
In the past I was getting it with VST2 but I'm not currently. Since then I had deleted everything and started over from scratch. So maybe it had something to do with a parameter saved in the host prior to the parameter refactorization process.
I'm still getting the issue with the Filter button you previously were able to reproduce so just hanging tight for an update that will address that. Will retest whenever there's a new build.
I'm still getting the issue with the Filter button you previously were able to reproduce so just hanging tight for an update that will address that. Will retest whenever there's a new build.
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- KVRAF
- 5419 posts since 18 Jul, 2002
Can't reproduce this anymore. Are you doing it on a new project?Funkybot's Evil Twin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 24, 2020 8:57 pm Also, the square LFO shape is completely not working.
To reproduce:
1. Load OB-Xd
2. Turn on the Square LFO shape, turn other LFO buttons off (square by itself)
3. Increase the depth
4. Turn on the Filter LFO button
Result: No LFO gets applied to the filter.
Expected Result: you hear the square LFO.
Note: Sine and S&H shapes work as expected.
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Funkybot's Evil Twin Funkybot's Evil Twin https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=116627
- KVRAF
- 11483 posts since 16 Aug, 2006
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Funkybot's Evil Twin Funkybot's Evil Twin https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=116627
- KVRAF
- 11483 posts since 16 Aug, 2006
Just to add: There is still definitely something VERY wrong though. I just had the Sine button turn itself on, when only the square and S&H buttons were on. Then I moved CC35 which is assigned to the Sine LFO button and the Saw waveform button on the oscillator came on. None of this stuff is easily reproducible and all intermittent. There's just strange behavior where buttons start doing whatever they want under some unknown conditions.
Just the fact that you previously reproduced the issue and now cannot demonstrates the random nature if the button state bugs. Here's what I'd suggest:
1. Open Reaper in Windows (might not be DAW specific, but EvilDragon and I are both using it)
2. Load OB-Xd
3. Press Clear
4. Create a MIDI Learn map
5. Create a new default preset save it
6. Remove the track and instrument
7. Reload OB-Xd
8. Pay very close attention to your current button states (it's easy to miss them coming on and off) maybe take a screen print if it helps
9. Move some knobs on your controller, move some knobs on your mouse, maybe open a browser window and go back to Reaper, just generally program a patch or two
At any point did you get unexpected button changes? It's pretty random here but not at all rare. The first time I move a parameter, there will always be an issue with a different button coming on/off, but it seems like there are still other instances where the problem happens.
Just the fact that you previously reproduced the issue and now cannot demonstrates the random nature if the button state bugs. Here's what I'd suggest:
1. Open Reaper in Windows (might not be DAW specific, but EvilDragon and I are both using it)
2. Load OB-Xd
3. Press Clear
4. Create a MIDI Learn map
5. Create a new default preset save it
6. Remove the track and instrument
7. Reload OB-Xd
8. Pay very close attention to your current button states (it's easy to miss them coming on and off) maybe take a screen print if it helps
9. Move some knobs on your controller, move some knobs on your mouse, maybe open a browser window and go back to Reaper, just generally program a patch or two
At any point did you get unexpected button changes? It's pretty random here but not at all rare. The first time I move a parameter, there will always be an issue with a different button coming on/off, but it seems like there are still other instances where the problem happens.
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- KVRAF
- 5419 posts since 18 Jul, 2002
Thanks for the detailed report. Sadly since the issue comes at random it's very difficult to trace the culprit.
We are in the process of reviewing the code to see where this mysterious bug comes from
MIDI CC issues only happen with VST2 here by the way.
We are in the process of reviewing the code to see where this mysterious bug comes from
MIDI CC issues only happen with VST2 here by the way.
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Funkybot's Evil Twin Funkybot's Evil Twin https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=116627
- KVRAF
- 11483 posts since 16 Aug, 2006