Synapse Audio Minimoog emulation "The Legend" for VST/AU and RE released!

[brok landers]

Just stumbled upon this statement for another synth:

"New "Thump" button in the envelopes. Gives a 4ms hold time for the VCA envelope like the Minimoog with its clipped envelopes."

What is a clipped envelope?

simplified - a lot of analog synths have a dc spike in the envelopes, which leads to a bump in the first attack portion, when the attack is fast.

[e-crooner]

simplified - a lot of analog synths have a dc spike in the envelopes, which leads to a bump in the first attack portion, when the attack is fast.

I see. Was that deliberate or a design flaw?

[brok landers]

simplified - a lot of analog synths have a dc spike in the envelopes, which leads to a bump in the first attack portion, when the attack is fast.

I see. Was that deliberate or a design flaw?

i can't tell you. i _assume_ it was a design flaw - which sounds good - so they left it that way...

[Urs]

Funny enough, the Minimoog envelopes are not clipped. They're possibly the least clipped, highest overshooting envelopes in synth history.

[AnX]

it's from here, nothing to do with Legend (or any Moog)

http://www.memorymoon.com/

[Urs]

Yep, I'm fairly sure that The Legend does the Minimoog's "envelope stacking" trick, i.e. the opposite of clipping, just like it should. Therefore I was arguing *for* The Legend and *against* the naive idea that the envelopes are simply "clipped". As these emulations never grow out of fashion, it's sad for me when new ones appear to be modelled without this detail.

[TheSynthScientist]

Yep, I'm fairly sure that The Legend does the Minimoog's "envelope stacking" trick, i.e. the opposite of clipping, just like it should. Therefore I was arguing *for* The Legend and *against* the naive idea that the envelopes are simply "clipped". As these emulations never grow out of fashion, it's sad for me when new ones appear to be modelled without this detail.

Interesting info!

[e-crooner]

Funny enough, the Minimoog envelopes are not clipped. They're possibly the least clipped, highest overshooting envelopes in synth history.

So, what do those terms mean?
Stacked envelopes? (Does a single note trigger multiple amp envelopes?)
Clipped envelopes? (Is the attack-decay peak cut off?)
Overshooting envelopes?

[Urs]

Funny enough, the Minimoog envelopes are not clipped. They're possibly the least clipped, highest overshooting envelopes in synth history.

So, what do those terms mean?
Stacked envelopes? (Does a single note trigger multiple amp envelopes?)
Clipped envelopes? (Is the attack-decay peak cut off?)
Overshooting envelopes?

"A unique feature of the filter envelope in The Legend is that when Decay and Release times are long, the envelope amount starts to build up. Hitting keys in quick succession thus yields a brighter and brighter timbre, which makes the synth sound dynamic and responsive."

Page 19 -> https://www.synapse-audio.com/legend/Th ... Manual.pdf

(As for "clipped" envelopes - I can't explain anything that contradicts my observation. Maybe ask the people who originally stated that Minimoog filters were somehow "clipped")

[e-crooner]

Funny enough, the Minimoog envelopes are not clipped. They're possibly the least clipped, highest overshooting envelopes in synth history.

So, what do those terms mean?
Stacked envelopes? (Does a single note trigger multiple amp envelopes?)
Clipped envelopes? (Is the attack-decay peak cut off?)
Overshooting envelopes?

"A unique feature of the filter envelope in The Legend is that when Decay and Release times are long, the envelope amount starts to build up. Hitting keys in quick succession thus yields a brighter and brighter timbre, which makes the synth sound dynamic and responsive."

Page 19 -> https://www.synapse-audio.com/legend/Th ... Manual.pdf

(As for "clipped" envelopes - I can't explain anything that contradicts my observation. Maybe ask the people who originally stated that Minimoog filters were somehow "clipped")

Oh, so it's a filter rather than amp envelope thing. Sounds related to what others call pick-up mode. I thought that was pretty much standard in the old days, as opposed to envelopes that are completely reset with every note.

[Urs]

You might wanna read that again, or better yet, try The Legend.

[EvilDragon]

Nope it's not quite like "pick-up" mode (which means continuing the envelope from current position). I mean it does continue from current position, but the thing is, in those certain conditions, the envelope goes way above the maximum voltage specified. So, let's say metaphorically the maximum envelope level is 1, and minimum is 0, a Minimoog envelope can go way above 1 in those conditions. That's why it's called an "overshooting envelope". Most other synths don't do this.

[e-crooner]

Nope it's not quite like "pick-up" mode (which means continuing the envelope from current position). I mean it does continue from current position, but the thing is, in those certain conditions, the envelope goes way above the maximum voltage specified. So, let's say metaphorically the maximum envelope level is 1, and minimum is 0, a Minimoog envelope can go way above 1 in those conditions. That's why it's called an "overshooting envelope". Most other synths don't do this.

Thanks for the explanation
And that was only on the filter envelope or on both?

[e-crooner]

You might wanna read that again, or better yet, try The Legend.

Can't try it again because of their 1-month demo mode

[EvilDragon]

Thanks for the explanation
And that was only on the filter envelope or on both?

Just the filter env AFAIK.