Need help replacing some Ableton stock plugins while moving to Bitwig

[pdxindy]

nice, shumovick seems like it could replace my issue with missing the white noise vocoder

Have you tried the Bitwig vocoder?

[pdxindy]

Technically, to answer your question here's the explanation from Ableton effect reference:

The Erosion effect degrades the input signal by modulating a short delay with filtered noise or a sine wave. This adds noisy artifacts or aliasing/downsampling-like distortions that sound very ”digital.”

I believe Corrosion might be your best bet here, there are other Options which can do similar Things, like https://www.meldaproduction.com/MNoiseGenerator & https://www.voxengo.com/product/crtivshumovick.

See, this is where things break down. Instead of throwing a plugin at it, do it the Bitwig way. Take a short Bitwig delay and use a filtered noise or sine wave to modulate the input signal. The raw tools for this sort of thing are extremely powerful in Bitwig, and if you're not taking advantage of the modulation system, why are you even bothering with it?

Yeah... you can build so much in Bitwig. Bitwig's delays are unique in that you can put anything inside the delay feedback.

[Tendou]

nice, shumovick seems like it could replace my issue with missing the white noise vocoder

Have you tried the Bitwig vocoder?

yeah but didnt invest much time. I could not get a pleasing result.

[pdxindy]

nice, shumovick seems like it could replace my issue with missing the white noise vocoder

Have you tried the Bitwig vocoder?

yeah but didnt invest much time. I could not get a pleasing result.

The Bitwig Vocoder is solid... plenty powerful. When you have a chance, revisit it.

I don't know what result you want (I used to use the Live Vocoder quite a bit but it has been a few years now) but am confident that the Bitwig Vocoder can get there. Anything can be the carrier - any device chain.

[Tendou]

nice, shumovick seems like it could replace my issue with missing the white noise vocoder

Have you tried the Bitwig vocoder?

yeah but didnt invest much time. I could not get a pleasing result.

The Bitwig Vocoder is solid... plenty powerful. When you have a chance, revisit it.

I don't know what result you want (I used to use the Live Vocoder quite a bit but it has been a few years now) but am confident that the Bitwig Vocoder can get there. Anything can be the carrier - any device chain.

thank you, I will give it another try

[zerocrossing]

Technically, to answer your question here's the explanation from Ableton effect reference:

The Erosion effect degrades the input signal by modulating a short delay with filtered noise or a sine wave. This adds noisy artifacts or aliasing/downsampling-like distortions that sound very ”digital.”

I believe Corrosion might be your best bet here, there are other Options which can do similar Things, like https://www.meldaproduction.com/MNoiseGenerator & https://www.voxengo.com/product/crtivshumovick.

See, this is where things break down. Instead of throwing a plugin at it, do it the Bitwig way. Take a short Bitwig delay and use a filtered noise or sine wave to modulate the input signal. The raw tools for this sort of thing are extremely powerful in Bitwig, and if you're not taking advantage of the modulation system, why are you even bothering with it?

Yeah... you can build so much in Bitwig. Bitwig's delays are unique in that you can put anything inside the delay feedback.

I just learned this lesson. I have to admit that I tend to overlook included plugins because I erroneously assume that there are better replacements. In my case, I was looking for a delay plugin that had a really great filter in the feedback loop. Something akin to The Drop level of quality, especially the drive part. Maybe it was you, but someone pointed me towards Delay 2 and before I knew it, I had exactly what I was looking for.

[pdxindy]

Technically, to answer your question here's the explanation from Ableton effect reference:

The Erosion effect degrades the input signal by modulating a short delay with filtered noise or a sine wave. This adds noisy artifacts or aliasing/downsampling-like distortions that sound very ”digital.”

I believe Corrosion might be your best bet here, there are other Options which can do similar Things, like https://www.meldaproduction.com/MNoiseGenerator & https://www.voxengo.com/product/crtivshumovick.

See, this is where things break down. Instead of throwing a plugin at it, do it the Bitwig way. Take a short Bitwig delay and use a filtered noise or sine wave to modulate the input signal. The raw tools for this sort of thing are extremely powerful in Bitwig, and if you're not taking advantage of the modulation system, why are you even bothering with it?

Yeah... you can build so much in Bitwig. Bitwig's delays are unique in that you can put anything inside the delay feedback.

I just learned this lesson. I have to admit that I tend to overlook included plugins because I erroneously assume that there are better replacements. In my case, I was looking for a delay plugin that had a really great filter in the feedback loop. Something akin to The Drop level of quality, especially the drive part. Maybe it was you, but someone pointed me towards Delay 2 and before I knew it, I had exactly what I was looking for.

Yeah, might have been me...

Not only can you put The Drop in the feedback, but any chain of devices (Bitwig or VST)... so you could put an EQ followed by the Drop and an ambience Reverb all inside the feedback loop. Add a couple modulators, make a preset page for The Drop then you could save that as the default preset for Delay 2. Then you have The Drop parameters right at hand instead of opening the GUI.

It's really slick!

[ericzang]

Other triggered noise plugins:
https://www.denise.io/store/denise/Noize2 (haven't tried)

Also getting a wide variety of good results with MVocoder with noise as the carrier.

The below plugins can do triggered noise, but the noise's tonal aspect are not related to the input's frequencies, unlike a vocoder or shumovik.

https://www.bozdigitallabs.com/product/ ... machine-2/
https://www.meldaproduction.com/MDrumEnhancer (before loading a sample, it instead triggers noise. )
Reaper's Reagate (but only triggers the noise when above the gate threshold)
https://www.reaper.fm/reaplugs/ (works on Windows only. Don't need to use Reaper)

[Echoes in the Attic]

Most of those have prett ydirect replacements in Bitwig. For convolution you could grab the free ConvologyXT, and for stock reverb you might want to grab Oril River Reverb for free.

Someone made a grid preset in an attempt to copy Ableton's erosion I think, worth a search on the Bitwig forum.

Otherwise amps, saturation, waveshaping etc is in Bitwig. And the vocoder is pretty good as well.

Delays are probably the best thing in Bitwig effects thanks to being able to put plugins in the feedback path.

[mrcleats]

https://bitwiggers.com/presets/41216720 ... e066a7977/ for an Erosion preset, as mentioned above.

I haven't compared the two though.

[pdxindy]

Most of those have prett ydirect replacements in Bitwig. For convolution you could grab the free ConvologyXT, and for stock reverb you might want to grab Oril River Reverb for free.

Someone made a grid preset in an attempt to copy Ableton's erosion I think, worth a search on the Bitwig forum.

Otherwise amps, saturation, waveshaping etc is in Bitwig. And the vocoder is pretty good as well.

Delays are probably the best thing in Bitwig effects thanks to being able to put plugins in the feedback path.

You can also put plugins and Bitwig devices in the reverb feedback too. It makes the Bitwig Reverb quite flexible.

[Echoes in the Attic]

Most of those have prett ydirect replacements in Bitwig. For convolution you could grab the free ConvologyXT, and for stock reverb you might want to grab Oril River Reverb for free.

Someone made a grid preset in an attempt to copy Ableton's erosion I think, worth a search on the Bitwig forum.

Otherwise amps, saturation, waveshaping etc is in Bitwig. And the vocoder is pretty good as well.

Delays are probably the best thing in Bitwig effects thanks to being able to put plugins in the feedback path.

You can also put plugins and Bitwig devices in the reverb feedback too. It makes the Bitwig Reverb quite flexible.

Yep. True. I guess I do that less because I rarely use Bitwig's reverb, but definitely is a great option.