Cherry Audio's CA2600 is available NOW!

[S0lo]

Time warp still seems like the most authentic 2600 to me. Too bad it was abandoned.

TimewARP currently sells for $10 in pluginboutique.com

Is it 64bit and is the GUI big enough for higher definition monitors? Thanks.

Both 64bit and 32bit (both install into same folder). No GUI resize. Won't be good on 4K

[chk071]

GUI is definitely an issue, if you're on anything above full HD. It's already borderline on full HD. Sounds great though.

Anyway, back to CA2600.

[Niowiad]

Here is a simple square wave on both the Arturia and Cherry Audio. Resonance set to max and filter cutoff at 2.2kHz.

Blue = Arturia
Orange = Cherry Audio

2600.jpg

Looks almost identical.

A lot might have to do with how the spectrum analyzer is "set up", how sharp/smooth and how it reacts along the spectrum.

This is the melda analyzer with "reasonably sharp" spectrum display.

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Arturia's has a very gradual buildup, the Cherry's version seems to show a mild resonant bump with a sudden asymmetric spike.

But this is just about different 24dB filter behaviour in the two emulations.
I'm in no way implying that Cherry simulated high resonance with a sinewave.

[bmanic]

I don't really care what it does. To my ears the CA2600 sounds pretty bland and definitely doesn't inhabit any analogue type behavior in general. But yeah.. what do I know, I've never actually had the pleasure of playing a real ARP2600 though I have plenty of analogue synth experience in my back log. There are certain traits most complex analogue setups have and one of them is gain staging (anybody with a modular system will know this very well). Depending on how loud and what frequencies you go with from one module to another has quite a noticeable tonality change at the end of the chain. No matter what you do in CA2600 it all feels quite static and "glued on".

It's also possible that I simply do not gel with the tonality choices of Cherry Audio. I never got to grips with their modular either.. so yeah, this is as subjective as it goes. However, I'm pretty sure it would be objectively possible to show that there's no complex analogue modeling going on here at all as so many of the traits of a spice like system are missing here.

[rezoneight]

I start to wonder if anyone in these forums actually has the ability to just enjoy something for what it is.

new here, eh? welcome to kvr, pick up your crushing ennui and cynicism at the reception desk.

Not quite. 2004

[rezoneight]

I start to wonder if anyone in these forums actually has the ability to just enjoy something for what it is. Can’t believe people are in here complaining about this thing at $25. Worse the constant hand-wringing over how close it is to a “real” 2600 which is....what exactly? If you’re that worried buy a real piece of hardware. The beautiful thing about software is bugs can be fixed, features can be modified or added, and it takes up zero physical space.

What's the exact price you're allowed to start voicing that you don't like something? If it has issues like aliasing and an inability to drive the filter, I think most of us are interested in hearing about it even if it was freeware.

$26. Seriously...if it "has issues" (ie: bugs) then let the dev know. "Issues" in software are obviously easily fixable; they've already released one update. Not even really talking about the actual discussion about the instrument itself. Its the beyond-tired comparisons to some mythic piece of hardware. They modeled it based on what they had available. Quite possible it sounds exactly like that. Doesn't mean its going to sound exactly like someone else's 2600, or Arturia's emulation, or Korg's hardware, or whatever.

[gentleclockdivider]

It’s not about bugs , it is genuine curiosity why the filter sounds bland + weird resonance .
This has nothing to do with the price , some people want answerz from C.A. ( probably just me ) others don’t care

[chk071]

Just raw sound from BARP2600 kills this thing. Start at 1.41.

Is that really a square? Sounds more like some saw-pulse mix to me...

It's a pulse with about 48 or 52 % pulse width. Like the one in the older Minimoog revisions as well.

[WasteLand]

I start to wonder if anyone in these forums actually has the ability to just enjoy something for what it is. Can’t believe people are in here complaining about this thing at $25. Worse the constant hand-wringing over how close it is to a “real” 2600 which is....what exactly? If you’re that worried buy a real piece of hardware. The beautiful thing about software is bugs can be fixed, features can be modified or added, and it takes up zero physical space.

What's the exact price you're allowed to start voicing that you don't like something? If it has issues like aliasing and an inability to drive the filter, I think most of us are interested in hearing about it even if it was freeware.

$26. Seriously...if it "has issues" (ie: bugs) then let the dev know. "Issues" in software are obviously easily fixable; they've already released one update. Not even really talking about the actual discussion about the instrument itself. Its the beyond-tired comparisons to some mythic piece of hardware. They modeled it based on what they had available. Quite possible it sounds exactly like that. Doesn't mean its going to sound exactly like someone else's 2600, or Arturia's emulation, or Korg's hardware, or whatever.

for me price does not matter, in the sense. i have soft-synth for $10 dollar that is great, the cheeze machine pro, pay what you want, yes the lowest price i have choosen, but another from them, to get even... but, it looks if it has no real big features, but the sound, workflow and possibilities, wow.

arturia, if you count, say €250 for v collection 7, how many synths? (i have 7... but can't count), 22, 23, 24? (analog lab i don't count). so... arturia arp 2600 is, let's say 20 instruments, €12,50.
if you buy it in sale of course. not in sale, strangely, on the arturia site it is €499, via resellers below €399, even then: €25, yes more than $21 via a reseller for CA2600.

i have other soft synths that are great for $29 for instance, waldorf largo, or synthmaster 2.9.
so...

stripe the price.

but i agree, cherry audio has improved DCO-106 in a few weeks, to a really really good soft synth. so. (didn't buy it (yet), i am working with other stuff, voltage modular also, for some experiments, and voltage modular i have lot of modules for it, so, i follow cherry audio and voltage modular quite close.)

but i take emulations as is. i agree at that point. i can't judge it now. didn't demo it, i don't think i will do. i would like to see it as modules in VM, but that is my personal take (and as vst plugin of course).

i saw in some other thread, the filter of the SEM V2 is "shit", why can i make sounds with it, i make my own presets from scratch, that i like, and i like the sound, the quality and richness of the sound? my personal preference? yes? how i make music? yes.

but issues were also present in DCO-106, and some FR, all (not all, most) were fixed, made better. so they respond to their userbase. the really want to make a good product.

they have indeed modelled it to even various units? that makes an emulation yes quite different.

but the word emulation, recreation is perhaps better? no, in english their can be a better word. but cherry audio themselves use the term, and modelling. etc.

i still use vintage soft synths, but less and less, but i always used them as is. what i can do with them.

but in these threads, and about SEM emulations (sem v2 vs. oberhausen, for example, i have both, what in my case is a bit strange, i know the SEM V2, the oberhausen isn't bad, not bad at all, but i don't compare them. why would i? oberhausen sounds great. i only have it for the FM feature, but i still go to the SEM V2, only because i am used to the thing. says nothing about the quality of oberhausen.), or the legend vs mini v3 vs model 72 (the latest kid on the block, or what is the expression), also strange, i have -of course- the mini v3, tried the legend, it was very cheap, came with a bundle, dirt cheap. but, it could be not the right moment, my mood, or whatever. i forgot about it. does not say anything about the quality of the the legend.

a thread that shows what you can do with the CA2600, what special things it is capable of is far more interesting, than personal opinions (but hey, we have still freedom of speech, or something that looks like it, so go ahead, i only state mine personal opinion...).

i can't say anything about the CA2600 and perhaps there are still real issues.

but i love to see a thread, about for instance the sem v2 and oberhausen, what you can do with the sem v2 and what you can do with the oberhausen.

or legend - mini v3 - model 72. and also strange, i have the model 72, while i still like the mini v3, but i bought because; it was split in to modules for softube modular.. and then i can experiment.. the sound of the model 72 is great, as a vst plugin, but i wouldn't buy it, because i have enough.
but the modules... extend a modular ecosystem and so you can build your own "frankenstein synth" or drone, or soundscape.. or whatever.

the power of soft modulars, to be able to use every oscillator in combination with many filters (if there is way to feed the filter of VSTi, or you have filter plugins or filter modules, voltage modular has a lot of vintage filters, and they sound pretty great.), every oscillator isn't a problem; plugin host, filter, more problematic. but still.. the modules.

to fixate on details, i fixate on what the thing can do for me. very egocentric.. in my own lonely ITB studio(s).

i see a new message, about the filter, i can't judge it. but if there is something wrong with the filter.. it is an issue. how "cheap" a plugin is, does not matter. i think those expensive plugins are too expensive (ok, what i have invested in voltage modular, is already 3 times falcon, but hey i can do more.. and what i have invested in softube modular or reaktor packs... and reaktor itself (o well a bundle...).

the arturia filter on a very clean oscillator does not show a lot of harmonics, but with with some detuned (nicely detuned) oscillators, 3, you see the harmonics. i don't know the real behavior of the filter (i read about filters, i know how they work, steiner-parker, ladder, slopes, and other stuff, but i forget too many details, in the end i have absorbed it, and i can work with a soft synth, and if it is not an emulation, but has 30 filters, i know which one to choose, and the slope...).

so issues can be real. or are real. but i am rambling! when california rises! it will be known! if it are issues! one line of code, or one variable on the wrong place...

[WasteLand]

It’s not about bugs , it is genuine curiosity why the filter sounds bland + weird resonance .
This has nothing to do with the price , some people want answerz from C.A. ( probably just me ) others don’t care

yes that is real question. california rises!
i think they do care, considering how they made the chorus much better for example, and fixed a lot of issues, and improved the DCO-106.

[e-crooner]

Just raw sound from BARP2600 kills this thing. Start at 1.41.

Is that really a square? Sounds more like some saw-pulse mix to me...

It's a pulse with about 48 or 52 % pulse width. Like the one in the older Minimoog revisions as well.

Hey, that indeed looks like a mix of saw and square. The width still seems to be 50:50, though.

[chk071]

I'm not sure where it's coming from. Maybe imperfections in the analog circuit. Dunno.

[thecontrolcentre]

Time warp still seems like the most authentic 2600 to me. Too bad it was abandoned.

TimewARP currently sells for $10 in pluginboutique.com

Is it 64bit and is the GUI big enough for higher definition monitors? Thanks.

Both 64bit and 32bit (both install into same folder). No GUI resize. Won't be good on 4K

Thanks S0lo ... I'll give it a miss. I have the GForce & Korg versions anyway.

[e-crooner]

I'm not sure where it's coming from. Maybe imperfections in the analog circuit. Dunno.

Looks too regular for imperfections.
Just did a little comparison, from the top:
Sylenth1 - square
Repro 1/5 - square
Sylenth1 - trisaw

The last one is not unlike that weird 2600 square, which looks like a saw with half-wave symmetry.

[starflakeprj]

Time warp still seems like the most authentic 2600 to me. Too bad it was abandoned.

TimewARP currently sells for $10 in pluginboutique.com

Is it 64bit and is the GUI big enough for higher definition monitors? Thanks.

Both 64bit and 32bit (both install into same folder). No GUI resize. Won't be good on 4K

Thanks S0lo ... I'll give it a miss. I have the GForce & Korg versions anyway.

The GForce and KORG versions are ARP Odessey's though, not ARP 2600. However, I don't really know the exact difference.