Ableton Live 11

[ReleaseCandidate]

You already bought Cubase, it's not about you or me

Neither new customers. I'm on groups for EDM etc. Nobody's talking about Cubase. It's only FL and Ableton, eventually Bitwig or Logic.

That's true. It's been a long time since Cubase had been THE DAW. Then came Ableton and Logic (actually more Apple than Logic). In the 'real' world I see mainly Live and Logic users and some small studio owners with PT - and I'm not talking about EDM, but 'normal' Bands.

For newcomers Cubase looks like a way too big, way too complicated monster that is not made for "making beats". Kinda similar to PT, for youngsters' PT feels like a DAW for boomers and grandparents

After using Live the first time (5, that came with my audio interface, never heard of that before) I couldn't stand Cubase's and Sonar's interface any more. And that hasn't changed (well, it has, I don't like Reaper and FL too now

imo Cubase will never get rid of this opinion, it's already too late except if they would make another 'New Cubase' (maybe different name) with completely new marketing to cut off from the opinion they already have. Cut down version without VR and tons of options useful for people doing other audio stuff. They could make it from Elements for example.

That's true. They could lessen the price of Nuendo and use that as the 'new' Cubase Pro and restart from scratch with a new one. They _really_ have succeeded (with the ex Sibelius team) doing that with Dorico (that still has missing features and problems).

[xbitz]

ps. btw it can be used for EDM, nicely if you don't need extreme modulation

Extreme? Cubase doesn't even have basic modulators

no more than in Frontliner stuffs, he pushed Cubase to its limit

[GNXT]

Ableton is the best DAW obviously, Bitwig for weirdos and outsiders, Reaper for geeks and waste timers, Logic for apple wasting money fun boys, Pro Tools for grandpa's, Cubase for European grandpa's, Reason for childish grandpa's, FL for FL Gang, Studio One for middle aged undeceive people.

As mixing is overrated, mastering is dead why spend more money, recording is the round button on the DAW's, Studio's are grandpa's antique storage room, mics are built-in in our Mac's and iPhones.

Having most of the above DAW's i only have to admit they are all the same, DAW's with pros and cons, Ableton is nice and was groundbreaking, Logic, Cubase, Pro Tools are power horses, FL is FL, Reaper is a beast, Bitwig is nice to have, Reason is a VST rack.

[pixel85]

Ableton is the best DAW obviously, Bitwig for weirdos and outsiders, Reaper for geeks and waste timers, Logic for apple wasting money fun boys, Pro Tools for grandpa's, Cubase for European grandpa's, Reason for childish grandpa's, FL for FL Gang, Studio One for middle aged undeceive people.

As much as it's funny, many still perceive DAWs from such perspective. There's only ongoing war Ableton/FL as the best DAW eva. Other DAWs are for weirdos/grandpas/perverts

As mixing is overrated, mastering is dead why spend more money, recording is the round button on the DAW's, Studio's are grandpa's antique storage room, mics are built-in in our Mac's and iPhones.

Mastering kick, vocals and 808's is still alive. What you talking about? Just today I saw important question if it's good idea to bounce midi to audio for mastering. I can bet that YouTube is full of 'Kick Professional Mastering Tutorials'.

Having most of the above DAW's i only have to admit they are all the same, DAW's with pros and cons, Ableton is nice and was groundbreaking, Logic, Cubase, Pro Tools are power horses, FL is FL, Reaper is a beast, Bitwig is nice to have, Reason is a VST rack.

You forgot about Renoise! Unpardonable!

[Psuper]

https://splice.com/daws/38929163-live-1 ... by-ableton

Grab yer free copy of Abelton Live Lite.

[WatchTheGuitar]

Ableton is the best DAW obviously, Bitwig for weirdos and outsiders, Reaper for geeks and waste timers, Logic for apple wasting money fun boys, Pro Tools for grandpa's, Cubase for European grandpa's, Reason for childish grandpa's, FL for FL Gang, Studio One for middle aged undeceive people.

As much as it's funny, many still perceive DAWs from such perspective. There's only ongoing war Ableton/FL as the best DAW eva. Other DAWs are for weirdos/grandpas/perverts

That’s because musicians and people who use computers are terrible people.

[GNXT]

Oh Renoise...it's for dinosaurs and i used to love to hate it!!

[leeleema]

Oh Renoise...it's for dinosaurs and i used to love to hate it!!

I always wondered, is Renoise a bit like Ableton session view?

[GNXT]

Oh Renoise...it's for dinosaurs and i used to love to hate it!!

I always wondered, is Renoise a bit like Ableton session view?

It must be because i don't use that either

What i hear though is that with the new follow actions it's getting close.

[NickBlanc]

Oh Renoise...it's for dinosaurs and i used to love to hate it!!

I am that dinosaur. Way back in the DOS days I fiddled around with trackers (Impulse, Fast, Scream, etc.). Imagine my surprise after years of non-music making, there suddenly were no trackers . I had to learn weird interfaces, left to right views, and hello...there was Renoise.

Still, I switched to Sonar and I'm finally gonna move to Ableton. So I can talk to the young folk.

[el davo]

The new reverb doesn't seem to have any extraordinary features, but does have all the nice things a common reverb should. Just watched the video, there'e even tempo-sync and feedback here.



The only thing missing is the built-in duck, or sidechain.

But, most importantly, it allows to combine convolution-based early reflections and algorithmic lush tail - that's the technique many pros use for extremely large sound, and so far I couldn't do that easily in a single device.

Excited to try this reverb! Built in sidechain would be super convenient. Quite happy to use the "workaround" of putting this on a send followed by a compressor though.

[MuzikFreq]

I don't see much in this update honestly. Added some nice things but for sure not enough.
This is a small update they're labeling as a big thing... hmmm... Pass, ill stick with 10

[leeleema]

I don't see much in this update honestly. Added some nice things but for sure not enough.
This is a small update they're labeling as a big thing... hmmm... Pass, ill stick with 10

You know, I thought exactly the same. But when I realised it had scene follow actions and a few other workflow improvements, everything else has started to grow on me. I'm sad, I know

[SLiC]

My only compliant is that I have already reordered the update but I cant get on the beta as it seems to be full of people who don't even want the update!

[ozinga]

So, expect it half-baked for a few Cubase versions or even unusable because lack of gapless playback and other performance quirks that Cubase can't get rid of for years
For me they have more important features to add/fix than pretending to be another Live.
Btw. I can imagine that Clip Launcher is the most used feature in DP now

Forget about gapless audio. I saw users in Steinberg forum that are very happy with the gaps, they defend it and against for a fix because they say it is normal. Fanboyism on another level.